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Old 12-20-12, 23:09
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I read the report. I see no empirical evidence that TT did the legwork. And, if he did, he is a bad executive.

I stand by my statement about the UCI. Stonewalling, blustering and obfuscation do not equal cojones. That is stupidity. Real leadership would be protecting the future of their sport as opposed to short term gain.

e.g. real leadership in other sports involves drafting and developing a team as opposed to using free agency to try and BUY a team. One is long view the other is short. The UCI has consistently show no appreciation for the long view and has always done the most expedient thing they can.
That statement is idiotic.

The statement is either a troll or exposes you as completely ignorant about organizational leadership (in small organizations).

Ok, ok, it could be both.

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Old 12-20-12, 23:25
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I read the report. I see no empirical evidence that TT did the legwork.
You need to tone down the trolling, it is too obvious

You didn't read the report did you? Travis did many of the interviews, met with Interpol, FBI, FDA, IRS agents.etc. As would be expected. USADA is not a big organization. Travis and Bill Bock ran the show.
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You need to tone down the trolling, it is too obvious

You didn't read the report did you? Travis did many of the interviews, met with Interpol, FBI, FDA, IRS agents.etc. As would be expected. USADA is not a big organization. Travis and Bill Bock ran the show.
But don't you see--if he did all that work then he's a bad CEO, because a CEO is supposed to make sure other people do all the work and then take the credit, which makes him a fraud because he's taking credit for other people's work unless he's doing the work which makes him a bad CEO for doing the work he isn't taking credit for because he's wasting tax payer money doing what he was hired to do because everyone else was doing it and even if they weren't the CEO playing field is a fraud because there's a stonewall in it which can't protect the future from cancer. And who's taking credit for that? Not Tygart. I rest my case.
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I am having a hard time following your constant shifts. So is Travis a good CEO or a bad CEO? Is he a hard worker or was he just taking credit for other peoples hard work?
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Probably a good time to get back to the topic. Por favor.
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I've been occupied with other things for a while and the last couple of pages are more junk.

Did Wonderboy documents ever get released?
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Probably a good time to get back to the topic. Por favor.
With pleasure.

Something that I have been confused about is when the UCI actually stripped Armstrong.

On 11 Dec 2012 the following story was published:

UCI officially nullifies Armstrong's Tour de France titles and results

Yet, way back in October, we had multiple stories like this:

UCI confirms Lance Armstrong's life ban

And this:

UCI management committee will not reallocate Armstrong's Tours

and this:

Tour de France organizers confirm UCI decision on Armstrong's victories

Then, of course on 30 November we had this:

UCI names panel for Armstrong affair commission

Perhaps the commission should be asking how they were chartered before Lance's doping was confirmed and his results were nullified.

Was the UCI trying to pull a fast one here?

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Old 12-21-12, 19:43
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With pleasure.

Something that I have been confused about is when the UCI actually stripped Armstrong.

On 11 Dec 2012 the following story was published:

UCI officially nullifies Armstrong's Tour de France titles and results

Yet, way back in October, we had multiple stories like this:

UCI confirms Lance Armstrong's life ban

And this:

UCI management committee will not reallocate Armstrong's Tours

and this:

Tour de France organizers confirm UCI decision on Armstrong's victories

Then, of course on 30 November we had this:

UCI names panel for Armstrong affair commission

Perhaps the commission should be asking how they were chartered before Lance's doping was confirmed and his results were nullified.

Was the UCI trying to pull a fast one here?

Dave.
Isn't the commission largely dealing with the implications of UCI complicity and coverups? That McQuaid as the UCI pres. accepted and confirmed the USADA sanctions would be topical but the report's suggestion of malpractice is the bigger deal.
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Old 12-21-12, 19:49
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Isn't the commission largely dealing with the implications of UCI complicity and coverups? That McQuaid as the UCI pres. accepted and confirmed the USADA sanctions would be topical but the report's suggestion of malpractice is the bigger deal.
We can only hope.

But, why did it take the UCI two months to officially do what they officially said that they had done?

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Old 12-22-12, 00:07
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We can only hope.

But, why did it take the UCI two months to officially do what they officially said that they had done?

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Why is a mafioso race promoter running the UCI? Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe they needed time to hide some casheesh.
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