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Cadel Evans 34 22.08%
Alberto Contador 120 77.92%
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Old 12-20-12, 19:57
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What do you call a rider who is on holiday from August to January?
A spring classics rider- your favorite.
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A spring classics rider
2005 Madrid
Tom Boonen (BEL) Alejandro Valverde (ESP) Anthony Geslin (FRA)

2006 Salzburg
Paolo Bettini (ITA) Erik Zabel (GER) Alejandro Valverde (ESP)

2007 Stuttgart
Paolo Bettini (ITA) Alexandr Kolobnev (RUS) Stefan Schumacher (GER)

2008 Varese
Alessandro Ballan (ITA) Damiano Cunego (ITA) Matti Breschel (DEN)

2009 Mendrisio
Cadel Evans (AUS) Alexandr Kolobnev (RUS) Joaquim Rodríguez (ESP)

2010 Geelong
Thor Hushovd (NOR) Matti Breschel (DEN) Allan Davis (AUS)

2011 Copenhagen
Mark Cavendish (GBR) Matthew Goss (AUS) André Greipel (GER)

2012 Valkenburg
Philippe Gilbert (BEL) Edvald Boasson Hagen (NOR) Alejandro Valverde (ESP)

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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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What do you call a rider who is on holiday from August to January?
A rider that you're apparently quite envious of. Teachers in the US get the summer's off. Are they lazy too?
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What do you call a rider who is on holiday from August to January?
I call him a Dual Vuelta winner
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Evans for sure, if we are basing the vote on natural talent.

Contador for sure, if we forget everything and just look at results.
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Old 12-21-12, 18:33
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A spring classics rider- your favorite.
If you're talking about Fabian Cancellara who is not necessarily my favourite, I'll just remind you that he was not on holiday, he was laying on a hospital cot ...

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A rider that you're apparently quite envious of. Teachers in the US get the summer's off. Are they lazy too?
I'm not envious of anybody. I'm just thinking of the future of my favourite sport, the most beautiful sport of the world. And with such riders, I see it very gloomy.

The second part of your quote is simply beyond the limits of indecency...

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I call him a Dual Vuelta winner
Those Contadortards are really boring ... Always have to repeat myself. He's not interested in the Vuelta, he only races it when he's kept from Bore de France. If he's allowed to race Bore de France, he would never be interested in anything else.

And even when he's racing those other races, which are still only GT's, it's still not more than 68 days of racing overall, as has been shown earlier on this thread.

Always repeating oneself, boring ...
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Evans wouldn't have been interested in the Vuelta either if he won the Tour. The only reason he rode it was because he always failed in the Tour until 2011. Do you think Eddy Merckx gave a **** about the Vuelta? He didn't. Neither did Freddy Maertens who viewed it as a prep race for the Giro.

Contador is the only rider in the peloton to have won 2 GTs in a season and he did great in 2011 as well. And before you try and show off Evans starting in the Tour Down Under, remember that a victory in the Tour Down Under is what Contador considers his most beautiful victory.

Contador is racing to win in every single one of those 68 days. I can't say the same about Evans.

7 GTs versus 1. Case closed.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Evans for sure, if we are basing the vote on natural talent.

Contador for sure, if we forget everything and just look at results.
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Evans wouldn't have been interested in the Vuelta either if he won the Tour. The only reason he rode it was because he always failed in the Tour until 2011. Do you think Eddy Merckx gave a **** about the Vuelta? He didn't. Neither did Freddy Maertens who viewed it as a prep race for the Giro.

Contador is the only rider in the peloton to have won 2 GTs in a season and he did great in 2011 as well. And before you try and show off Evans starting in the Tour Down Under, remember that a victory in the Tour Down Under is what Contador considers his most beautiful victory.

Contador is racing to win in every single one of those 68 days. I can't say the same about Evans.

7 GTs versus 1. Case closed.
Contador only said that because he was returning to racing after his brain operation. Contador gifting stages and not going all out when he raced in races like the Dauphine shows that. If you substituted Merckx for Contador I would agree. He even wanted to win every kermesse or criterium he rode in. Evans never gives the impression he is racing to train for another race as other GT riders do. He always tries unlike the brothers Schleck, Menchov and many others. I think you are confusing success with effort. Look at Evan's wins and podiums in smaller stage races plus four podiums at the Dauphine, plenty of top tens in the classics plus the Fleche win. Not the record of someone who sets himself to only win certain races every year.
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Contador only said that because he was returning to racing after his brain operation. Contador gifting stages and not going all out when he raced in races like the Dauphine shows that. If you substituted Merckx for Contador I would agree. He even wanted to win every kermesse or criterium he rode in. Evans never gives the impression he is racing to train for another race as other GT riders do. He always tries unlike the brothers Schleck, Menchov and many others. I think you are confusing success with effort. Look at Evan's wins and podiums in smaller stage races plus four podiums at the Dauphine, plenty of top tens in the classics plus the Fleche win. Not the record of someone who sets himself to only win certain races every year.
I think you confuse gifting stages with not wanting to win. He wants to win the overall GC. He is less concerned with stage wins.

Gifting out stages makes you a lot of friends in the peloton. That can come in handy for other races as we've seen now already. Take for example the Fuente De stage at the Vuelta this year...
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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