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Old 12-22-12, 23:21
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But its pretty logical that suspicion of doping falls on those who produce super performances. Like Lemond said in 2000 "this is the greatest story or the greatest fraud".

In fact Wiggins himself said its the winners on whom suspicion falls
Well yes. Of course had Armstrong never won, the events of the past year would likely have never happened. You can be sure that many riders in the 99-05 era committed the same doping offences as Armstrong, but have got away with it. Armstrong's biggest mistake was to win (and be an odious c*** who is currently finding out what karma means)

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But more importantly a good performance is only part of the argument, more important is the improvement.

Its not that Wiggins and Froome were so good at the Tour its that they improved so much. Wiggins finished his first Tour in 134th position. Froome in 80th. Now they are 1-2.
That is a well-trodden argument on this thread, and let's not start it again for fear of all the innumerate trying to justify their positions with some very bad science.

The corollary of that is also a factor, who has deteriorated, and deterioration includes not being there (Clue: AC)
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Old 12-22-12, 23:26
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Like someone said a few pages back, no smoke without fire. There is so much heat being generated by Sky and their actions I feel I have a hotel on the top of mount Etna!

Froome and his meteoric rise to become a GC contendor (I suppose this is being put down to marginal gains?)
Rogers
Barry
Leinders
Yates
Jullich
de Jongh
Wiggins and his comparrison with USPS
Wiggins and his love for Lance
Wiggins suddenly divorcing Lance
Wiggins USPS style outburst about lazy ****ers
Skys domination in 2012
Skys PR Failings (Too many to list)
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All the above for me is just TOO many items that cause too much smoke. Its been said on this thread before, if the above was Movistar of AG2R well jesus, the Sky Boyz would be kicking off.

Its just smells, we need answers.
Don't forget little Richie Porte and his loose lips.

Back to Sky. I have some serious concerns. Just when I thought cycling was entering a new era we're back at 2002 again.

The 'Armstrong Affair' shook the sport to its core. I'm saddened that its all started again and the sport hasn't moved on.

Sky and no better than USPS. I'm sorry.

The sport is still sick. Teams that run doping programs win.

It's a other sad day for the sport and on the eve of Christmas as well
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The corollary of that is also a factor, who has deteriorated, and deterioration includes not being there (Clue: AC)
AC wasnt there in 2006 either Nor Andy Schleck for that matter.
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Sky and no better than USPS.
Well they are. Sky have won a GT.
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Well they are. Sky have won a GT.
Heras still has his '03 Vuelta.
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Well they are. Sky have won a GT.
Roberto Heras, 2003 Vuelta.

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Oops forgot that one
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Then don't.

Simples. No need to beat yourself up about it

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The sport needs a complete clean out top to bottom.

I'm lost for words on this news.

Not sure i can watch the Tour 2013.
Dont worry, sky has gotten rid of all the dirty apples, and this time they are really serious about being a clean team.
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Dont worry, sky has gotten rid of all the dirty apples, and this time they are really serious about being a clean team.
When did Froome leave? I must've missed that.
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