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Old 12-23-12, 23:00
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So you arent named after Pantani?
and in my timezone we have a winner
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Old 12-23-12, 23:15
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No he is named after a song by a middle class boy from Liverpool, who incidentally was well doped up.
You have any "evidence"?
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Old 12-23-12, 23:23
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You have any "evidence"?
Have you heard Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds?
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Old 12-23-12, 23:26
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My own personal opinion, which is all it is, is that Leinders was dirty and Brailsford knew this perfectly well. Whether he hired him for his doping or not, is still to be determined. There seems to be an belief that the likes of Leinders and Ibarguren went to medical school and specialised in EPO and its uses and that they walk around their teams with a syringe permanently in their hands. That's not the case. They're doctors whom, in addition to the dirty stuff, apply genuine medical practice and, having experienced the non-doping, physiological and medical requirements of elite professional cyclists at first hand for years, will be expert in their treatment - more so than your next GP off the block. Unless, that is, you believe that athletes who ride 3000 miles in 3 weeks, at 40 km/h, have the same needs as your average man on the street. I've never done that myself, but I can see that their needs might be different. Every other sport hires medical specialists with experience of treating athletes from that particular sport. And yet people expect cycling teams to hire your average GP with no experience! DB's biggest problem was finding a doctor with the relevant experience, but without the baggage. His biggest mistake was simply not admitting that this couldn't be done.
This is naive and / or strawmanish (expect to hire an avg gp with no experience).

Experienced GPs who have worked for sports teams have enough experience to work with a pro cycling team. The human body doesn't differ just coz you're a pro cyclist - it reacts the same way to treatment and suffers the same maladies. Where do you think all the amateur cyclists go for treatment? Do you really think pros experience something different to an amateur?

Leinders was hired when?

Atfer Txema died. Txema, who had been ex-doper Millar's soigneur and again, close personal friend, back in the day. And in that same race, a number of Sky riders had to pull out.

Txema was in hospital. No GP is going to trump hospital and A&E care. Noone.

The saddle sore post above is due to the fact that that was one of the reasons given by Brailsford for the hiring of Leinders. Saddle sores. And riding in the heat.
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Have you heard Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds?
What about this - "Imagine all the people sharing all the world".

Im very sceptical that someone could have imagined that without lots of meds- mind enhancing drugs.
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What about this - "Imagine all the people sharing all the world".

Im very sceptical that someone could have imagined that without lots of meds- mind enhancing drugs.
Yep, there was that as well. And don't forget his time up L'Alpe d'Huez.
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"Is Wiggins the best cyclist in the world? He's not even the best cyclist at Sky..."
Why am I thinking ringo Starr??
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This is naive and / or strawmanish (expect to hire an avg gp with no experience).

Experienced GPs who have worked for sports teams have enough experience to work with a pro cycling team. The human body doesn't differ just coz you're a pro cyclist - it reacts the same way to treatment and suffers the same maladies. Where do you think all the amateur cyclists go for treatment? Do you really think pros experience something different to an amateur?

Leinders was hired when?

Atfer Txema died. Txema, who had been ex-doper Millar's soigneur and again, close personal friend, back in the day. And in that same race, a number of Sky riders had to pull out.

Txema was in hospital. No GP is going to trump hospital and A&E care. Noone.

The saddle sore post above is due to the fact that that was one of the reasons given by Brailsford for the hiring of Leinders. Saddle sores. And riding in the heat.
Why do saddle sores seem inextricably tied in with doping?
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Old 12-24-12, 02:13
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This is naive and / or strawmanish (expect to hire an avg gp with no experience).

Experienced GPs who have worked for sports teams have enough experience to work with a pro cycling team. The human body doesn't differ just coz you're a pro cyclist - it reacts the same way to treatment and suffers the same maladies. Where do you think all the amateur cyclists go for treatment? Do you really think pros experience something different to an amateur?

Leinders was hired when?

Atfer Txema died. Txema, who had been ex-doper Millar's soigneur and again, close personal friend, back in the day. And in that same race, a number of Sky riders had to pull out.

Txema was in hospital. No GP is going to trump hospital and A&E care. Noone.

The saddle sore post above is due to the fact that that was one of the reasons given by Brailsford for the hiring of Leinders. Saddle sores. And riding in the heat.
I'm saddened that fans of cycling are making excuses for Sky's behavior. We get what we deserve.

Not a word from Brailsford or Wiggins.

Disgusting that they're protect the omertà.

It's 2004 Lance zipping the lips all over again.
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Old 12-24-12, 02:53
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I'm saddened that fans of cycling are making excuses for Sky's behavior. We get what we deserve.

Not a word from Brailsford or Wiggins.

Disgusting that they're protect the omertà.

It's 2004 Lance zipping the lips all over again.
Everybody's thinking 'bout the bottom line. Am I going to gross 7,6 or 5 figures next year in €, £ or $?
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