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Old 12-23-12, 02:24
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Eh, further for samples to travel...
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Old 12-23-12, 05:06
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Unfortunately Spain protects itīs own irrespective of national reputation. Another blot on the nations reputation as a blatant cheater is either ignored or actively protected. If Heras had a genuine case it should have gone to CAS otherwise itīs just mutual backslapping and other back room shenanigans.
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Old 12-23-12, 10:45
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Unfortunately Spain protects itīs own irrespective of national reputation. Another blot on the nations reputation as a blatant cheater is either ignored or actively protected. If Heras had a genuine case it should have gone to CAS otherwise itīs just mutual backslapping and other back room shenanigans.
That "Spain protecting their dopers" narrative has a big problem in this case: Heras was caught, suspended, sanctioned and stripped by the Spanish, and when the court undid their work, they appealed.
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Old 12-23-12, 11:01
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Heras was caught, suspended, sanctioned and stripped by the Spanish
And yet he still says he never stopped feeling like the winner of the Vuelta.

Go away Heras, just go away.
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Old 12-23-12, 16:01
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And yet he still says he never stopped feeling like the winner of the Vuelta.

Go away Heras, just go away.
Yeah, we all know Menchov was the rightful winner.

Assuming the list provided by Viskovitz's translation is true, then this is a travesty. Not because we don't all believe Heras doped, but such poor handling of such a case deserves to be tossed out. The protocol should be beyond reproach, and this was nothing of the sort. Rules and protocol are in place to protect the innocent, and some wise man once said it is better to let 10 guilty go instead of convicting one innocent.

If any of the scorched earth crowd in here was involved in a sport or anything where such poor care is taken to ensure results and fairness to those accused, they would screech just as loud in the opposite manner. Hypocrisy is the foremost trait in the clinic.
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Old 12-23-12, 16:34
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Rodirto was framed.
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Old 12-23-12, 16:47
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I have no problem with Heras being given back his title. His case was FUBAR. Mayo was screwed as well when his B sample did not come out as the UCI wanted so it was tested again in another lab. It was the ol' test 'til you get the result you want ploy.
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Old 12-23-12, 23:42
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Rodirto was framed.
Lance did it!
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Old 12-24-12, 11:44
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i really don't care who won the vuelta in 2005 or any year from about early 90's to mid-late 00's.

the chance that the podium-ers of the period were not epo/blood doped is less than 10% in my opinion. thus i believe that all grand tour winners of the period should be voided just like the tour did with the armstrong wins in the same period !

the 2 questions i really would like to know the answers to are:

-why spain allows its judiciary interfering in wada-domain sporting matters ?
-why having so many good arguments heras did not go to cas ?
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Old 12-24-12, 12:32
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Lance did it!
The truth is out there young grasshopper.

One thing is for sure, leaving Bruyneel/Lanceboy is allmost a garanty for a posive:
* Hamilton
* Heras
* Landis
* Contador

Could all be a coincidence of course, but still.
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