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Old 12-24-12, 10:38
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Guy does a year of partying and getting fat. Guy does not perform great physical tests after that. Massive surprise.

The final test he did before he got the contract (not in the documentary) was apparently pretty good, certainly for the trajectory he came from.


Erik Dekker is indeed the only suspicious figure still on that team. Congratulations, you've found him! All the others have been sacked.

It's ridiculous if you think Knebel hasn't been cleaning up the mess. Probably the biggest "get rid of the dopers" operation of any team.


Somehow I feel it has to be a Dutchie. The interview is so very Dutch in idiom and tone. And of course he doesn't give a f.ck anymore about the image of his former team, he got caught after all.
but all the other reasons to me means it's definitely not lotz. it could also be a rider who was never with rabo in 1999 and that most of what he says is by heresy. a lot of the stuff he says would be bonafide bull**** anyway. really a rider in a hotel installing an infuus to dope himself? yeah very believable... only believable if it was in the 90s, so either he's full of **** or he's much older and I think it's the latter and to me everything makes sense it's btea zberg or someone who was never in rabo in 1999 and then it could be many names.
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Old 12-24-12, 10:49
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Anyway, in the AD now also Bram de Groot accuses Geert Leinders of being a doping doctor. The top riders would sometimes be sleeping in a different hotel, and when the doping control came they were told these riders were ill and had gone home.

De Groot sometimes saw Leinders going into the hotel room of one of the top riders of the team, with a cool box. And then lock the door for an hour.

I don't think De Groot was the earlier anonymous rider BTW, doesn't correspond with the facts.
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Old 12-24-12, 11:05
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The four tested for the '99 prologue were positive. Armstrong was tested because he was first. The other testees were random selections. They were Hamburger, Beltran, and, if I remember correctly, Castelblanco. Zulle and Olano were not found posiitve by the retrospective testing.
Those are the 4 riders who got a backdated TUE for corticosteroids. You sure they're the ones who tested positive for EPO too? Honestly I don't remember.
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Old 12-24-12, 11:19
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No one knows do they? Only Lance gave his ID up.
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Old 12-24-12, 13:10
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but all the other reasons to me means it's definitely not lotz. it could also be a rider who was never with rabo in 1999 and that most of what he says is by heresy. a lot of the stuff he says would be bonafide bull**** anyway. really a rider in a hotel installing an infuus to dope himself? yeah very believable... only believable if it was in the 90s, so either he's full of **** or he's much older and I think it's the latter and to me everything makes sense it's btea zberg or someone who was never in rabo in 1999 and then it could be many names.
Its definitely a Dutch rider who was with Rabobank in 1999 or someone who has a personal agenda vs. Rabobank and is talking crap.

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Old 12-24-12, 13:11
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Leinders responsible for another 2012 miracle?
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Old 12-24-12, 13:21
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Its definitely a Dutch rider who was with Rabobank in 1999 or someone who has a personal agenda vs. Rabobank and is talking crap.
yeah? why?
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Old 12-24-12, 13:40
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yeah? why?
If you want to talk crap, Herbert Dijkstra is as good a choice as any

Sven Nys calls Leinders an honest person, whom he has trusted for all his career. What were the Belgians saying again, about cyclocross being so clean?
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Yet another one.... http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nys-...-honest-person

One can guess why Nys has been so dominant in CX since those days.
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Old 12-24-12, 14:12
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Erik Dekker is indeed the only suspicious figure still on that team. Congratulations, you've found him! All the others have been sacked.

It's ridiculous if you think Knebel hasn't been cleaning up the mess. Probably the biggest "get rid of the dopers" operation of any team.
For the last time: no one was sacked except for the obvious Rasmussen. Menchov winning Vuelta and Giro on Vienna blood was just good publicity.

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do you understand the concept of contracts? he couldn't fire leinders because he had nothing against him so he didn't renew his contract as soon as he could and of course knebel wasn't told about anything. he had to find all out by himself. he was an outsider. there was erik dekker in the staff yes, but there was also frans maassen, a guy who never wanted to dope as a rider and retired at young age. knebel didn't know anything from before 2007, only about 2007 when the sponsor understood there were some serious problems that should never happen again, so he got rid of boogerd, thomas, de rooy, rasmussen(fired and it will now bite them in the ***) and leinders, all when they ran out of contract, although de rooy was put under pressure I think
Please, Leinders left on his own, nothing to do with contract not renewed.

Funny thing you bring up Maassen, who's carreer was destroyed by the EPO guys, why would he want to work in a doped up climate like on Rabo? That really puzzles me.
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