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Old 12-26-12, 11:09
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Agreed. Which makes Rogers' move, after his points have lost their value (?) to Saxo, who already have a pointsless megastar in Contador, just so outlandishly ridiculously unbelievable in terms of "oh no, he's not leaving due to a suspicious doping past, no not at all...".

Good grief.
KAT's top performers in '12 (CQ):

1 J-Rod (CQ ranked 1)
2 Moreno (17)
3 Kristoff (31)
4 Freire (42)
5 Paolini (54)


Not a single Russian/Eastern European in CQ top 100 from KAT, not even Alexandr "TUE" Kolobnev. Clearly whatever cocktail the team was on, it had no effect on the folks from former Soviet Union.
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Old 12-26-12, 11:23
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KAT's top performers in '12 (CQ):

1 J-Rod (CQ ranked 1)
2 Moreno (17)
3 Kristoff (31)
4 Freire (42)
5 Paolini (54)


Not a single Russian/Eastern European in CQ top 100 from KAT, not even Alexandr "TUE" Kolobnev. Clearly whatever cocktail the team was on, it had no effect on the folks from former Soviet Union.
Your pedantry is noted. And the people leaving the BRITISH pro tour team, Sky, included AUSTRALIAN, Mick Rogers. But it's still a British team.

Just as Katusha is a Russian team.

The riders, and the countries where their knicks come from, play no part in the "nationality" of the team.

Just sayin'.

It's a Russian team. Hence: dirty, dirty Russians.
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Old 12-26-12, 13:05
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Your pedantry is noted. And the people leaving the BRITISH pro tour team, Sky, included AUSTRALIAN, Mick Rogers. But it's still a British team.

Just as Katusha is a Russian team.

The riders, and the countries where their knicks come from, play no part in the "nationality" of the team.

Just sayin'.

It's a Russian team. Hence: dirty, dirty Russians.
I see, so not dirty, dirty Australians.
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Old 12-26-12, 16:25
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Can remember being outside " Doping Control ", one year , when Tom B. spent more time talking to me than being in the control Office giving a sample . I was waiting for " dodger " who had gone in earlier and no doubt was using the facility to evade talking to waiting media . Can you think of a reason anyone would spend 1 1/2hrs on those premises with a comfortable hotel room waiting ? One of the questions i posed as he headed off ! What's a world Championship worth if you have to outwait the media ?
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I see, so not dirty, dirty Australians.
Is that what upset you? You're Russian? Look, for my money, Dodger is one of the dodgiest in the bunch from 2012, no question.

But if I am going to assign a country name as a collective noun to a team of multi-national riders, it will be the country of the team, not their knicks manufacturer, or their bike maker, or blah blah blah.

It's nothing personal, it's purely expedient.
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Old 12-28-12, 08:43
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Is that what upset you? You're Russian? Look, for my money, Dodger is one of the dodgiest in the bunch from 2012, no question.

But if I am going to assign a country name as a collective noun to a team of multi-national riders, it will be the country of the team, not their knicks manufacturer, or their bike maker, or blah blah blah.

It's nothing personal, it's purely expedient.
Simply trying to give you a hint that the Russian part of the Katusha team could be less juiced than the rest in '12. The lack of "Russian" results on the team was very likely the main reason Ekimov replaced Holzer.

While there's little doubt some riders are on a program on Katusha, it looks to me like they are individual, i.e. very similar operation as the majority of the peloton these days.

My nationality matters little in this case.
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Simply trying to give you a hint that the Russian part of the Katusha team could be less juiced than the rest in '12.
They can't be less talented? Isn't that more likely?
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They can't be less talented? Isn't that more likely?
Sure, but EPO and blood doping will likely make some of these less talented Russian riders competitive at some level. None of them were competitive in '12.
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Sure, but EPO and blood doping will likely make some of these less talented Russian riders competitive at some level. None of them were competitive in '12.
There were a few riders making all the rest look very untalented / non-competitive in 2012. This then leads some people to the conclusion that the other riders or even the entire field must be weak.
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Katusha still taking this to CAs, if so when is the hearing?
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