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Old 12-26-12, 19:00
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On the same list where Lance Armstrong doesn't appear because he did that D thing?
Oh the irony killed me
Yeah and riis doesn't make the Danish list. Kim andersen does though.
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On the same list where Lance Armstrong doesn't appear because he did that D thing?
Oh the irony killed me
And Rolf Sørensen isn't mentioned either, yet Wiggins is
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Is number 5 the same guy who mentors the Schlecks and was caught doping in his career?
Doesn't matter.
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no zenon jaskula ?
Why not Gwyasdowski then?

The 90's, 90's !!!! Decency!


And I insist:

Cadel Evans

9 Olympics MTB 1996 1
7 Olympics MTB 2000 1
9 Emily 2001 1
10 Paris Nice 2002 2
6 Basque Country 2002 1
3 Romandy 2002 2
14 Giro 2002 3
4 Milan Turin 2004 1
4 Lombardy 2004 4
8 Paris-Nice 2005 2
9 Arrow 2005 2
5 Liège Bastogne 2005 4
8 France 2005 6
5 Germany 2005 1
7 California 2006 1
8 Basque Country 2006 1
Tour of Romandy 2006 4
10 Switzerland 2006 1
4 France 2006 8
2 Poland 2006 1
7 Paris-Nice 2007 2
4 Romandy 2007 2
2 Dauphiné 2007 2
2 France 2007 8
4 Vuelta 2007 7
5 Worlds 2007 4
6 Emily 2007 1
6 Lombardy 2007 2
3 Andalucia 2008 1
2 Basque Country 2008 2
2 Arrow 2008 2
7 Liège Bastogne 2008 2
2 Dauphiné 2008 2
2 France 2008 8
5 Olympics 2008 2
6 Emily 2008 1
4 Basque Country 2009 1
5 Arrow 2009 2
7 Romandy 2009 1
2 Dauphiné 2009 2
3 Vuelta 2009 7
World Championship 2009 9
4 Emily 2009 1
10 Lombardy 2009 2
3 Tirreno 2010 1
6 International Crit. 2010 1
Walloon Arrow 2010 6
4 Liège Bastogne 2010 4
St Giro 2010 2
5 Giro 2010 7
Tirreno 2011 3
8 Catalunya 2011 1
Tour of Romandy 2011 4
2 Dauphiné 2011 2
St France 2011 3
Bore de France 2011 20
International Criterium 2012 2
3 Dauphiné 2012 2
Total 178



Phil Anderson

10 Paris-Tours 1980 2
Tour de l'Aude 1981 2
St Paris-Nice 1981 1
7 Amstel 1981 1
10 France 1981 6
St France 1982 3
4 Aude 1982 1
5 France 1982 8
5 Amstel 1982 1
6 Francfurt 1982 1
7 Wevelgem 1982 2
7 Dauphiné 1982 1
9 Arrow 1982 2
Amstel 1983 3
Tour de l'Aude 1983 2
2 Romandy 1983 2
4 Liège Bastogne 1983 4
6 Dauphiné 1983 1
8 Lombardy 1983 2
8 Midi-Pyrénées 1983 1
9 Worlds 1983 2
9 France 1983 6
9 Flanders 1983 2
10 Francfurt 1983 1
Zurich 1984 3
Francfurt 1984 2
Catalan Week 1984 3
2 Liège-Bastogne 1984 4
5 Switzerland 1984 2
5 Paris-Tours 1984 2
5 Paris-Nice 1984 4
5 Union GP 1984 1
7 Paris-Brussels 1984 1
7 Dauphiné 1984 1
9 Arrow 1984 2
10 France 1984 6
Tour of Switzerland 1985 4
Dauphiné libéré 1985 4
Francfurt 1985 2
Med Tour 1985 2
GPE3 1985 2
2 Flanders 1985 4
2 Wevelgem 1985 2
2 Belgium 1985 1
2 Catalan Week 1985 1
4 Paris-Nice 1985 4
4 Brabant Arrow 1985 1
5 France 1985 8
5 Amstel 1985 1
7 Liège Bastogne 1985 2
Paris-Tours 1986 6
3 Lombardy 1986 4
4 Piedmont 1986 1
Milan-Turin 1987 2
6 Amstel 1987 1
7 Giro 1987 4
9 Francfurt 1987 1
10 Wevelgem 1987 2
2 Flanders 1988 4
2 Milan-Turin 1988 1
6 Zurich 1988 1
7 Tirreno 1988 1
9 Liège Bastogne 1988 2
10 Luxermbourg 1988 1
Tour of Romandy 1989 4
St Giro 1989 2
3 Liège-Bastogne 1989 4
6 GPE3 1989 1
10 Pantalica 1989 1
13 Giro 1989 3
St Giro 1990 2
2 Paris-Tours 1990 2
10 Amstel 1990 2
Med Tour 1991 2
St France 1991 3
2 GPE3 1991 1
7 Milan-Sanremo 1991 2
7 Zurich 1991 1
3 Paris-Brussels 1992 1
6 Paris-Tours 1992 2
7 Luxembourg 1993 1
9 Luxembourg 1994 1
Total 192


1 Phil Anderson
2 Cadel Evans

I don't think it'll change.


Edit: And Anderson was definitely NOT a pioneer. There were far many other Aussie cyclists before him, and of course Anglos.

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Old 12-26-12, 22:18
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Czech Republic

1 Roman Kreuziger jr (waiting for a confirmation of Berta's affidavits)
2 Zdenek Stybar
3 Milos Fisera (tremendous cyclocrosser in the 70's & 80's; definitely a forerunner to Styby)
4 Radomir Simunek sr
5 Roman Kreuziger sr
6 Jan Svorada
7 Jiri Daler (Olympic Pursuit champion and then involved in the crash in Blois '69)
8 Radomir Simunek jr
9 Frantisek Rabon
10 Ernst Franz (actually a Bohemian, documentate about him, great story)
Needs Jan Veselż imo.
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1 Phil Anderson
2 Cadel Evans

I don't think it'll change.

Edit: And Anderson was definitely NOT a pioneer. There were far many other Aussie cyclists before him, and of course Anglos.
It's not only about the number of wins. Agree with Cookster and proff, hard to look past the first Australian winner of both the TdF and WC. While there may have been other pioneers, Phil Anderson is generally recognized as the pioneer and inspiration for most of the current and recently retired Australian riders so I definitely think you are selling him short in your assessment.
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imho, the quality of wins is more important than the number
of wins
wc and tdf are enough to make cadel #1.
and he did not win only this to races.

phil anderson I like him very much, but definitely cadel's palmares is more qualitative.
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i cannot believe cav ahead of wiggo (olympic gold medals...)
Wiggo did something amazing, but something which somebody does every year - win Le Tour. Cav, during the last 5 years, has pretty much done something that we've never seen anybody do, ever. I'd rate Cav as comfortably Britain's greatest cyclist.
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Wiggo did something amazing, but something which somebody does every year - win Le Tour. Cav, during the last 5 years, has pretty much done something that we've never seen anybody do, ever. I'd rate Cav as comfortably Britain's greatest cyclist.
I agree in that cavs name will ring throughout history as the greatest sprinter ever. Also agree that wiggins or any rider from a non traditional country don't deserve + points just because they are the first person from his country to win.

You win the event or you don't.
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I agree in that cavs name will ring throughout history as the greatest sprinter ever. Also agree that wiggins or any rider from a non traditional country don't deserve + points just because they are the first person from his country to win.

You win the event or you don't.
If you consider Maertens as a sprinter, he's pretty much untouchable imo
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Ireland

1: Sean Kelly
2: Stephen Roche
3: Nicolas Roche
4: Dan Martin
5: Shay Elliot
6: Philip Deignan
Dan Martin in my view is better, than N.Roche.

Also it must be hard to rule out (from 1st place) a Giro/TDF/WC winner in the same year but Kelly was a great cyclist.
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