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Old 12-26-12, 20:43
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Velodude, many thanks for the clear & coherent legal position, but one quick question - in which court (or country) did Armstrong bring his case of Libel against the Sunday Times?

I would expect that any legal action against Armstrong on the basis of him pejuring himself would need to be filed in the same court in which the original claim was filed, and subsequently settled (assuming that the settlement was sealed by the court, as a closure of the open action).
It was the England & Wales High Court in London and all actions relating to that case would be commenced in that Court making reference to the same file.

The same judge would preside and if the Times was successful that judge would be under a judicial obligation to refer that matter arising in his civil court for criminal prosecution.

The Times would make this a case of public interest just as other newspapers have made later located perjury or perjury during proceedings aware to the public resulting in prosecutions.

Prosecution costs - negligible.

Most of the criterion cited by Wirral would be satisfied.

No extradition would be commenced. I would expect just an arrest warrant valid in UK only. The outcome would be that Armstrong would be grounded in US for travel to most parts of the world.
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Old 12-26-12, 20:49
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It was the England & Wales High Court in London and all actions relating to that case would be commenced in that Court making reference to the same file.

The same judge would preside and if the Times was successful that judge would be under a judicial obligation to refer that matter arising in his civil court for criminal prosecution.

The Times would make this a case of public interest just as other newspapers have made later located perjury or perjury during proceedings aware to the public resulting in prosecutions.

Prosecution costs - negligible.

Most of the criterion cited by Wirral would be satisfied.

No extradition would be commenced. I would expect just an arrest warrant valid in UK only. The outcome would be that Armstrong would be grounded in US for travel to most parts of the world.
Question; how do you serve a person civilly (not criminally) from the UK who lives in the US and is not a UK citizen?

Can it be done?
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Old 12-26-12, 21:09
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Question; how do you serve a person civilly (not criminally) from the UK who lives in the US and is not a UK citizen?

Can it be done?
As the US & UK are signatories to a Hague Convention (Outline) specifically established and agreed for the international service of judicial and extra-judicial documents on civil matters then the answer is yes.
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Old 12-27-12, 00:44
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Dopestrong's Last Stand ?

-> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/d-da...eal-ban-to-cas

Tyler apparently gone into hiding, this could get uglier...
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Old 12-27-12, 00:52
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Dopestrong's Last Stand ?

-> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/d-da...eal-ban-to-cas

Tyler apparently gone into hiding, this could get uglier...
Sounds like Tyler is baiting him!

Come on Lance! No more invisible backpacks of sadness.... strike back!

Do it for the Bronze medal!
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Old 12-27-12, 01:43
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Dopestrong's Last Stand ?

-> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/d-da...eal-ban-to-cas

Tyler apparently gone into hiding, this could get uglier...
What do you base this on? If he's doing interviews, it seems like he must be pretty easy to find.
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Old 12-27-12, 01:59
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Should no action be taken by Armstrong, the International Olympic Committee will then move to recover the bronze medal won by the American at the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney.
What are they going to do if LA refuses to hand back the bronze medal? He still has those yellow jerseys on his living room wall, after all. Would the IOC be allowed to take the medal when LA’s home is put up for sale? What if the home is sold “as is”, with all of LA’s personal belongings going with it? Could the IOC put a lien on it? How much is a tainted bronze medal worth in today’s market? How much is it worth if it is melted down for just the bronze?

So far, this seems to be what LA owes:

SCA – $12.5 million
London Times - $1.6 million
Line of credit - $8 million (I assume that was given when he still had his sponsors, and presumed capable of paying it back with income)

So $22 million, with possibly a federal suit still to come.
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Old 12-27-12, 02:52
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What are they going to do if LA refuses to hand back the bronze medal? He still has those yellow jerseys on his living room wall, after all. Would the IOC be allowed to take the medal when LA’s home is put up for sale? What if the home is sold “as is”, with all of LA’s personal belongings going with it? Could the IOC put a lien on it? How much is a tainted bronze medal worth in today’s market? How much is it worth if it is melted down for just the bronze?

So far, this seems to be what LA owes:

SCA – $12.5 million
London Times - $1.6 million
Line of credit - $8 million (I assume that was given when he still had his sponsors, and presumed capable of paying it back with income)

So $22 million, with possibly a federal suit still to come.
He needs cash flow. Nothing coming in. A lot going out.

Lance's lawyers doing very well. Good on them. They should keep bleeding him dry.
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Old 12-27-12, 04:12
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So far, this seems to be what LA owes:

SCA – $12.5 million
London Times - $1.6 million
Line of credit - $8 million (I assume that was given when he still had his sponsors, and presumed capable of paying it back with income)

So $22 million, with possibly a federal suit still to come.
It's even worse than that. Not only is money not coming in, Wonderboy is paying a peloton of lawyers to grind down whatever settlement eventually is made. Every week the guy has been generating billable hours and there's no end in sight. Not good at all for Wonderboy. Is litigation insurance covering his bills?

That $8 million in credit is now the bank's problem. That's called failing big and it's pretty common. Getting a credit bubble that big is for elite scammers.

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Old 12-27-12, 05:18
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The haters are on a "Lance is Doomed" jag.
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