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Old 12-27-12, 23:29
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Ivan Basso likes to speculate as well

“Look. It’s the same discussion as always, it’s like watching the Tour when Lance [Armstrong] or [Miguel] Indurain raced. You could try to attack, get ahead, but then what are you going to do? Just to have a laugh?” Basso said, sitting on the steps of the team bus.

“If he [Wiggins] goes as they have been, where Richie Porte is pulling and you are on the wheel pushing 420 watts, then explain to me, where are you going to go?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...top-sky_230769
It's gonna be scary on here when Andy and Bertie go after being towed up with those numbers
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Let's have some more selective quoting from the same article shall we...


"I don’t judge Sky for just what they did this spring,” Basso told VeloNews. “For me, what they did at the Vuelta was incredible. Wiggins pulled off a miracle: crashed at the Tour, broke his collarbone and went strongly there. Only a champion can do that."

“They’ve done well to bring their captain and vice captain in their best condition. They are doing their work to make sure that those two are protected, nether too fast nor too slow. Like I said, they’re riders with big balls.”
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Let's have some more selective quoting from the same article shall we...

"I don’t judge Sky for just what they did this spring,” Basso told VeloNews. “For me, what they did at the Vuelta was incredible. Wiggins pulled off a miracle: crashed at the Tour, broke his collarbone and went strongly there. Only a champion can do that."

“They’ve done well to bring their captain and vice captain in their best condition. They are doing their work to make sure that those two are protected, nether too fast nor too slow. Like I said, they’re riders with big balls.”
In Italian "big balls" means big program.
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I give up. Behave yourself kids.
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Saxo missing out on the points from Rogers has really stuck in my craw.

But a recent article outlining riders moving to teams bringing their own salary has finally come to roost.

I wonder if Rogers' "leaving Sky deal" included paying his salary to Saxo.

Saxo don't get his points (?) but they do get a competent road captain (can't think off the top of my head who their Tour captain is and it ain't l'Espanol) and good rider who knows the ropes and the ins and outs of training programs and altitude camps.

It would be the easiest way to compensate Rogers (by paying someone else entirely) with the least amount of polemic wrt him leaving for doping-association reasons.
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Saxo missing out on the points from Rogers has really stuck in my craw.

But a recent article outlining riders moving to teams bringing their own salary has finally come to roost.

I wonder if Rogers' "leaving Sky deal" included paying his salary to Saxo.

Saxo don't get his points (?) but they do get a competent road captain (can't think off the top of my head who their Tour captain is and it ain't l'Espanol) and good rider who knows the ropes and the ins and outs of training programs and altitude camps.

It would be the easiest way to compensate Rogers (by paying someone else entirely) with the least amount of polemic wrt him leaving for doping-association reasons.
It also poo poos 'marginal gains'; when you won clean then its ok just to give up your road captain and strongest mid stage GT domestique and say nothing about him leaving.

Doesn't add up.

Sky lost their DS and road captain after a stellar year with Tour and Gold Medal victories and it was treated like a junior mechanic leaving.
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Do you have first knowledge of this or is it either gossip or merely wild speculation?
Standard procedure when firing key personnel involving payoffs. Sky would want to make sure these fired people keep the marginal gains program information confidential.

Note: Not necessarily saying the marginals gains program is dirty.
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Saxo missing out on the points from Rogers has really stuck in my craw.

But a recent article outlining riders moving to teams bringing their own salary has finally come to roost.

I wonder if Rogers' "leaving Sky deal" included paying his salary to Saxo.

Saxo don't get his points (?) but they do get a competent road captain (can't think off the top of my head who their Tour captain is and it ain't l'Espanol) and good rider who knows the ropes and the ins and outs of training programs and altitude camps.

It would be the easiest way to compensate Rogers (by paying someone else entirely) with the least amount of polemic wrt him leaving for doping-association reasons.
Entirely plausible.

Of course Rogers' was part of the 'clear out', like Yates, whatever Sky say, want to say or contractually have to say.

But Rogers' strengths as a captain are undeniable. Sky will lose out on the road, but if the clearout was in anyway genuine (and it was a significant clearout, to be fair), that was inevitable - everything else is just managing the story to avoid lawsuits and media. Not noble, but sensible, if you know what i mean. Saxo v Sky looks like being THE 'on the road' story of the year to come - off the road? anyone's guess, but Bruyneel looks like a man with nowt to lose....
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It also poo poos 'marginal gains'; when you won clean then its ok just to give up your road captain and strongest mid stage GT domestique and say nothing about him leaving.

Doesn't add up.

Sky lost their DS and road captain after a stellar year with Tour and Gold Medal victories and it was treated like a junior mechanic leaving.
The one thing Brailsford hates is 'drama' - see the Pendleton fiasco for that - indeed, his aversion to the kind of mountain attacks many of us fans enjoy is a sign of that too - he has an endless bucket of money, of course he's going to use it to avoid 'blow-ups' in the press. He'd be mad not to, frankly! Sky like to give the impression of 'remorseless progression' both when it's the truth, and when it's not. They are the Borg, it's just what they do.
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Standard procedure when firing key personnel involving payoffs. Sky would want to make sure these fired people keep the marginal gains program information confidential.

Note: Not necessarily saying the marginals gains program is dirty.
He asked whether you have information? Not what is "Standard procedure"..?
And anyway..
What about Michael Rogers then?
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