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Old 12-28-12, 20:02
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6) They're McQuaid's best friends. Phat 'predicted' Wiggo's TdF victory long before they had reached Paris.

McQuaid is good at cover ups. Apart from when asked straight questions. 'Is Wiggins going to win the Tour, Pat?' Yes. Doh!
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Old 12-28-12, 20:05
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Funny also that there is nobody representating Sky at CCN.
May not be a coincidence though considering Ashenden's recent observation that sophisticated microdoping is widespread among the peloton's new age teams.

On that topic: has anybody at Sky made any official or unofficial statements wrt CCN? Something like "Way to go boys", "Keep up the good work guys", or a variation thereof?
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Old 12-28-12, 20:15
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out of this world? how do you know? brajkovic is 12 kg lighter than froome and isn't much worse.
57kg? Where'd you get that figure?
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Old 12-28-12, 20:17
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Funny also that there is nobody representating Sky at CCN.
May not be a coincidence though considering Ashenden's recent observation that sophisticated microdoping is widespread among the peloton's new age teams.
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Garmin being the other new-age team, which is probably why Vaughters wasn't there either

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Old 12-28-12, 20:18
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6) They're McQuaid's best friends. Phat 'predicted' Wiggo's TdF victory long before they had reached Paris.
7) Wiggo not publishing his passport data
8) Wiggo refusing to take Kimmage on board during the TdF
and tenerife hasn't even been mentioned yet.

you've missed very important points against doping:
4) Because Vaughters says so
5) Because Millar says so
3b) Their performance compared to their previous performance.
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Old 12-28-12, 20:28
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Garmin being the other new-age team, which is probably why Vaughters wasn't there either

indeed, being DS of Garmin is Vaughters' only job. Couldn't think of another reason why he should be invited.
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Old 12-28-12, 20:31
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Is there a summary of points for/against SKY doping? Thereís certainly no evidence but Iíll try to arrange from strong to weak points. I can think of the following, feel free to add.

For doping:
1) Dr. Geert Leinders and Dr. Fabio Bartalucci. We know the story, both dope doctors hired after SKYís abysmal 2010 performance.
2) Their dismissal. If SKY had nothing to hide, why fire them AFTER they won the tour?
3) Their performance. This seems like a major point in some peopleís arguments, itís sad in a way that our sport has come to this, questioning performance. We all saw it, dominant in the mountains, dominant in the time trials. People say Wiggins never attacked like a doper, but certainly he didnít need to. Froome TTing faster than Cancellara was weird for me.
4) Undedectable AICAR. No one can argue that SKY had the skinniest riders, personally I canít think of any riders with lower BMIís.
5) Team policy, more importantly changes of policy. Not hiring from outside UK, not hiring personnel with known doping past, certainly changed quickly.

Neither here nor there:
1) Froomeís Ďincurableí bilharzia, making his blood passport useless. Praziquantel cures more than 85 percent of individuals, retreatment of patients with residual infections results in cure in more than 80 percent.
2) Wigginsís behaviour also seems a big issue for some. Eg. Calling trolls the C word, Ďnever raced against Armstrongí, trying to pay less taxes etc.

Against doping:
1) Everything else.
2) No evidence.
3) British riders donít dope.
You dismiss people who ask questions as trolls?

So therefore isnt wiggins also a troll since he said this
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"unfortunately now the suspicion is out there that you can't win the Tour de France unless you're doing something. That's unfortunate if he is clean but at the same time you can't blame people for the doubt that's there"
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It's going to be difficult and you can't blame people for doubting the credibility of the Tour for perhaps the next 5,6,7 years
Why are we trolls for applying the same standards to wiggins that wiggins has no problem applying to anyone not named Bradley?
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Old 12-28-12, 20:36
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Funny also that there is nobody representating Sky at CCN.
May not be a coincidence though considering Ashenden's recent observation that sophisticated microdoping is widespread among the peloton's new age teams.

On that topic: has anybody at Sky made any official or unofficial statements wrt CCN? Something like "Way to go boys", "Keep up the good work guys", or a variation thereof?
If you believe Bailsford's propaganda he is likely to believe that CCN are wasting their time since Bailsford already won the battle against doping in July 2012 so they are fighting something that no longer exists.
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Old 12-28-12, 21:25
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2009 7 days in the high mountains
The Tour where the Pyranees were essentially eliminated being used as evidence of how mountainous the current Tours are. LOL. That's a good one.
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Old 12-28-12, 22:16
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The Tour where the Pyranees were essentially eliminated being used as evidence of how mountainous the current Tours are. LOL. That's a good one.
2 HC and 4 cat in three days in the pyranees, several MTFs and four hard alp days isn't exactly soft country...
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