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Old 12-28-12, 21:08
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Last anecdote on Frans Verbeeck. At the start of one season he was training at the French Riviera where he would win a handful of nice races like Cannes GP or Monaco GP. Once their was a heavy rain and folks from a hotel saw someone riding a bike out there and would have a laugh at this fool, until they realized it was Frans Verbeeck, then they were in awe.

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My top10 from some traditional countries:

Italy:

1 Felice Gimondi (you read me!)
2 Fausto Coppi
3 Francesco Moser
4 Gino Bartali
5 Fiorenzo Magni
6 Giuseppe Saronni (don't like the guy, but still a champion)
7 Alfredo Binda
8 Franco Bitossi (so underrated)
9 Gianbattista Baronchelli
10 Costante Girardengo

France:

1 Bernard Hinault
2 Jacques Anquetil (I hate him but well..)
3 Raymond Poulidor
4 Louison Bobet
5 Laurent Fignon
6 Henri Pélissier
7 Charly Mottet
8 Octave Lapize
9 Louis Trousselier
10 Gustave Garrigou

Spain

1 Miguel Indurain (grrrr)
2 Miguel Poblet
3 Pedro Delgado
4 Marino Lejarreta (RIP nephew Ińaki )
5 Federico Bahamontes
6 Luis Ocańa
7 Miguel-Maria Lasa
8 Joachim Rodriguez
9 Carlos Sastre
10 Francisco Galdos

Netherlands

1 Joop Zoetemelk
2 Hennie Kuiper (those who rank him lower, care to explain)
3 Jan Janssen
4 Jan Raas
5 Adrie van der Poel
6 Gerrie Knetemann
7 Johan van der Velde
8 Steven Rooks
9 Michael Boogerd ...
10 Wim van Est

Switzerland

1 Ferdi Kübler
2 Fabian Cancellara
3 Heiri Suter
4 Hugo Koblet
5 Oscar Egg
6 Pascal Richard ...
7 Michel Frederick
8 Rolf Graf
9 Beat Breu
10 Stefan Mutter

Germany (yes it is a traditional country, with loooong history)

1 Rudi Altig
2 Dietrich Thurau
3 Rolf Wolfshohl
4 Hans Junkermann
5 Rolf Golz
6 Steffen Wesemann
7 Josef Fischer
8 Gregor Braun
9 Ludwig Geyer
10 Klaus-Peter Thaler (OK that's because I'm a cyclocross fanatic, otherwise Röbl or Stöpl)

Luxembourg

1 Nicolas Frantz
2 François Faber
3 Charly Gaul
4 Andy Schleck
5 Kim Kirchen
6 Mathias Clemens
7 Jang Goldschmitt
8 Edy Schutz
9 Marcel Ernzer
10 Jean Majerus
echoes,
gimondi better than coppi, francesco moser better than bartali, you don't know anything about italian cycling.
bitossi i love him, but bottecchia is more important 2 tdf in three attempts, than probably killed by fascists while training.
binda, please reread his palmares. no way saronni (i hate him , but still a champion)is superior to binda. no pantani, unbelievable ...

in spain lejarreta , i like him a lot, better than bahamontes and ocana, no way. no fuente , one of the greatest climber of history and galdos in?

holland, jan janssen second and hennie kuiper third.

in spain jrod in front of carlos sastre?

than , i don' t understand , also merckxs anquetil and others tested positive in their career, so why they are in and contador or pantani out?

pascal richard, same thing , if i correctly remember.....
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No Fuente makes me very sad. And Schur, as previously mentioned. But mostly Fuente.
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Roger Hammond
Lars Micaelsen
Bobby Julich
Danny Pate
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1. Bodrogi László
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there are no World Tour class cyclist in Hungary, not even close, unfortunetly
but hope rides again: we have a continental half hungarian-half italian team called Utensilnord
some names: Kusztor Péter, Lovassy Krisztián, Palotai Péter, Cador Rida
and Gabriele Bosisio!!
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Bálint Szeghalmi was at Lampre last year, but I don't think he was really up to the required level for the WT. It's a shame that Hungary doesn't have that level of cycling history, and quite strange.

I can name Antal Megyerdi (former winner of the Tour de Slovaquie) and János Juszkó as partially-notable Hungarian riders from the past though, thanks to participation in the Friedensfahrt. And the Palfy twins, who are notable not because of any achievements on the bike but because they are also second-tier racers in biathlon.
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England
In no particular order

reg harris
tom simpson
mark cavendish
barry hoban
beryl burton
brian robinson
tony doyle
bradley wiggins
hugh porter
chris boardman
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Spain

1 Miguel Indurain (grrrr)
2 Miguel Poblet
3 Pedro Delgado
4 Marino Lejarreta (RIP nephew Ińaki )
5 Federico Bahamontes
6 Luis Ocańa
7 Miguel-Maria Lasa
8 Joachim Rodriguez
9 Carlos Sastre
10 Francisco Galdos
Sastre and Purito and no Alberto
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My top10 from some traditional countries:

Italy:

1 Felice Gimondi (you read me!)
2 Fausto Coppi
3 Francesco Moser
4 Gino Bartali
5 Fiorenzo Magni
6 Giuseppe Saronni (don't like the guy, but still a champion)
7 Alfredo Binda
8 Franco Bitossi (so underrated)
9 Gianbattista Baronchelli
10 Costante Girardengo
1. COPPI, Fausto (2x TOUR; 5x GIRO; 1x WC; 5x GDL; 3x MSR; 1x PR; 3x VEN; 3x EMIL; 2x KOM; 2x GPN; 9x TDFSTAGE; 22x GIROSTAGE)
2. BARTALI, Gino (2x TOUR; 3x GIRO; 4x MSR; 3x GDL; 2x ZUR; 2x TDS; 1x ROM; 1x BASQ; 1x LAZ; 3x PIEM; 2x KOM; 2x EMIL; 12x TDFSTAGE; 17x GIROSTAGE)
3. GIMONDI, Felice (1x TOUR; 3x GIRO; 1x VUELTA; 1x WC; 2x GDL; 1x ROM; 1x PR; 1x MSR; 1x CATAL; 1x LAZ; 2x PIEM; 2x PB; 2x GPN; 7x TDFSTAGE; 6x GIROSTAGE)
4. MOSER, Francesco (1x GIRO; 1x WC; 3x PR; 2x TA; 2x GDL; 1x ZUR; 1x PT; 1x MSR; 1x CATAL; 3x LAZ; 1x GW; 1x FW; 2x EMIL; 1x VEN; 1x PIEM; 1x MTO; 2x TDFSTAGE; 23x GIROSTAGE)
5. BINDA, Alfredo (5x GIRO; 3x WC; 4x GDL; 2x MSR; 2x PIEM; 1x VEN; 2x TDFSTAGE; 42x GIROSTAGE)
6. GIRARDENGO, Costante (2x GIRO; 6x MSR; 3x GDL; 5x MTO; 5x EMIL; 4x VEN; 3x PIEM; 30x GIROSTAGE)
7. SARONNI, Giuseppe (2x GIRO; 1x WC; 2x TA; 1x ZUR; 1x TDS; 1x ROM; 1x MSR; 1x GDL; 1x FW; 1x VEN; 1x MTO; 24x GIROSTAGE)
8. BITOSSI, Franco (2x ZUR; 2x GDL; 1x TDS; 1x TA; 1x CATAL; 1x LAZ; 2x VEN; 2x EMIL; 1x MTO; 1x GREEN; 4x TDFSTAGE; 21x GIROSTAGE)
9. MAGNI, Fiorenzo (3x GIRO; 3x RVV; 2x LAZ; 3x PIEM; 1x VEN; 1x MTO; 7x TDFSTAGE; 6x GIROSTAGE)
10. GUERRA, Learco (1x GIRO; 1x WC; 1x MSR; 1x GDL; 1x PIEM; 8x TDFSTAGE; 31x GIROSTAGE)


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France:

1 Bernard Hinault
2 Jacques Anquetil (I hate him but well..)
3 Raymond Poulidor
4 Louison Bobet
5 Laurent Fignon
6 Henri Pélissier
7 Charly Mottet
8 Octave Lapize
9 Louis Trousselier
10 Gustave Garrigou
1. HINAULT, Bernard (5x TOUR; 3x GIRO; 2x VUELTA; 1x WC; 3x DL; 2x LBL; 2x GDL; 1x ROM; 1x PR; 1x AGR; 2x FW; 2x CRI; 1x GW; 1x 4DUNK; 5x GPN; 1x KOM; 1x GREEN; 28x TDFSTAGE; 6x GIROSTAGE)
2. ANQUETIL, Jacques (5x TOUR; 2x GIRO; 1x VUELTA; 5x PN; 2x DL; 1x LBL; 1x CATAL; 1x BASQ; 4x CRI; 2x 4DUNK; 1x GW; 1x BP; 9x GPN; 16x TDFSTAGE; 6x GIROSTAGE)
3. BOBET, Louison (3x TOUR; 1x WC; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x PN; 1x MSR; 1x GDL; 1x DL; 2x CRI; 1x BP; 1x KOM; 1x GPN; 11x TDFSTAGE; 2x GIROSTAGE)
4. POULIDOR, Raymond (1x VUELTA; 2x PN; 2x DL; 1x MSR; 5x CRI; 1x FW; 1x GPN; 7x TDFSTAGE)
5. JALABERT, Laurent (1x VUELTA; 3x PN; 1x WCTT; 1x ROM; 1x MSR; 1x GDL; 1x CATAL; 1x BASQ; 2x FW; 2x CSS; 1x CRI; 2x KOM; 2x GREEN; 1x MTO; 4x TDFSTAGE; 3x GIROSTAGE)
6. FIGNON, Laurent (2x TOUR; 1x GIRO; 2x MSR; 2x CRI; 1x FW; 1x GPN; 9x TDFSTAGE; 2x GIROSTAGE)
7. THEVENET, Bernard (2x TOUR; 2x DL; 1x ROM; 1x CATAL; 1x CRI; 9x TDFSTAGE)
8. LEDUCQ, André (2x TOUR; 1x PT; 1x PR; 1x CRI; 25x TDFSTAGE)
9. MOTTET, Charly (3x DL; 1x ZUR; 1x ROM; 1x GDL; 2x LAZ; 2x 4DUNK; 3x GPN; 1x PIEM; 3x TDFSTAGE)
10. GARRIGOU, Gustave (1x TOUR; 1x MSR; 1x GDL; 1x PB; 8x TDFSTAGE)

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Spain

1 Miguel Indurain (grrrr)
2 Miguel Poblet
3 Pedro Delgado
4 Marino Lejarreta (RIP nephew Iñaki )
5 Federico Bahamontes
6 Luis Ocaña
7 Miguel-Maria Lasa
8 Joachim Rodriguez
9 Carlos Sastre
10 Francisco Galdos
1. INDURAIN, Miguel (5x TOUR; 2x GIRO; 3x CATAL; 2x PN; 2x DL; 1x WCTT; 1x OLYTT; 1x CSS; 1x CRI; 12x TDFSTAGE; 4x GIROSTAGE)
2. OCANA, Luis (1x TOUR; 1x VUELTA; 3x DL; 2x CATAL; 2x BASQ; 1x GPN; 9x TDFSTAGE)
3. CONTADOR, Alberto (2x TOUR; 1x GIRO; 2x VUELTA; 2x PN; 2x BASQ; 1x MTO; 3x TDFSTAGE)
4. FREIRE, Oscar (3x WC; 3x MSR; 1x TA; 1x PT; 1x HEW; 1x GW; 1x GREEN; 4x TDFSTAGE)
5. VALVERDE, Alejandro (1x VUELTA; 2x LBL; 2x DL; 1x CATAL; 1x FW; 1x CSS; 4x TDFSTAGE)
6. DELGADO, Pedro (1x TOUR; 2x VUELTA; 4x TDFSTAGE)
7. LEJARRETA, Marino (1x VUELTA; 2x CATAL; 3x CSS; 2x GIROSTAGE)
8. BAHAMONTES, Federico (1x TOUR; 6x KOM; 7x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)
9. POBLET, Miguel (2x MSR; 2x CATAL; 1x MTO; 3x TDFSTAGE; 19x GIROSTAGE)
10. OLANO, Abraham (1x VUELTA; 1x WC; 1x WCTT; 1x TA; 1x ROM; 1x CRI; 1x TDFSTAGE)

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Netherlands

1 Joop Zoetemelk
2 Hennie Kuiper (those who rank him lower, care to explain)
3 Jan Janssen
4 Jan Raas
5 Adrie van der Poel
6 Gerrie Knetemann
7 Johan van der Velde
8 Steven Rooks
9 Michael Boogerd ...
10 Wim van Est
1. ZOETEMELK, Joop (1x TOUR; 1x VUELTA; 1x WC; 3x PN; 2x PT; 1x TA; 1x ROM; 1x AGR; 1x FW; 1x CRI; 10x TDFSTAGE)
2. RAAS, Jan (1x WC; 5x AGR; 2x RVV; 2x PT; 1x PR; 1x MSR; 1x GW; 3x E3H; 1x PB; 1x OHV; 10x TDFSTAGE)
3. JANSSEN, Jan (1x TOUR; 1x VUELTA; 1x WC; 1x ZUR; 1x PR; 1x PN; 1x BP; 3x GREEN; 7x TDFSTAGE)
4. KUIPER, Hennie (1x WC; 1x TDS; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x MSR; 1x GDL; 3x TDFSTAGE)
5. VAN DER POEL, Adri (1x ZUR; 1x RVV; 1x PT; 1x LBL; 1x AGR; 1x CSS; 1x SS; 1x PIEM; 1x PB; 2x TDFSTAGE)
6. KNETEMANN, Gerrie (1x WC; 2x AGR; 1x PN; 1x 4DUNK; 1x 3DPK; 1x RHT; 10x TDFSTAGE)
7. ROOKS, Steven (1x ZUR; 1x LBL; 1x AGR; 1x KOM; 2x TDFSTAGE)
8. BOOGERD, Michael (1x PN; 1x AGR; 1x EMIL; 2x TDFSTAGE)
9. BREUKINK, Erik (1x BASQ; 2x CRI; 1x PIEM; 4x TDFSTAGE; 2x GIROSTAGE)
10. DEKKER, Erik (1x TA; 1x PT; 1x AGR; 1x CSS; 4x TDFSTAGE)


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Switzerland

1 Ferdi Kübler
2 Fabian Cancellara
3 Heiri Suter
4 Hugo Koblet
5 Oscar Egg
6 Pascal Richard ...
7 Michel Frederick
8 Rolf Graf
9 Beat Breu
10 Stefan Mutter
1. ROMINGER, Tony (1x GIRO; 3x VUELTA; 3x BASQ; 2x TA; 2x ROM; 2x PN; 2x GDL; 2x GPN; 1x KOM; 1x EMIL; 3x TDFSTAGE; 5x GIROSTAGE)
2. KUBLER, Ferdi (1x TOUR; 1x WC; 3x TDS; 2x ROM; 2x LBL; 1x ZUR; 1x BP; 1x MTO; 1x GREEN; 8x TDFSTAGE)
3. KOBLET, Hugo (1x TOUR; 1x GIRO; 3x TDS; 2x ZUR; 1x ROM; 1x GPN; 5x TDFSTAGE; 7x GIROSTAGE)
4. ZULLE, Alex (2x VUELTA; 2x BASQ; 1x WCTT; 1x TDS; 1x PN; 1x CATAL; 2x TDFSTAGE; 3x GIROSTAGE)
5. CANCELLARA, Fabian (4x WCTT; 2x PR; 1x TDS; 1x TA; 1x RVV; 1x MSR; 1x OLYTT; 2x E3H; 8x TDFSTAGE)
6. SUTER, Heiri (6x ZUR; 2x PT; 1x RVV; 1x PR; 1x BP)
7. RICHARD, Pascal (2x ROM; 1x TDS; 1x OLY; 1x LBL; 1x GDL; 2x LAZ; 2x TDFSTAGE; 4x GIROSTAGE)
8. DUFAUX, Laurent (2x DL; 1x ZUR; 1x ROM; 1x TDFSTAGE)
9. SCHAER, Fritz (2x ZUR; 1x GREEN; 2x TDFSTAGE; 2x GIROSTAGE)
10. CAMENZIND, Oskar (1x WC; 1x TDS; 1x LBL; 1x GDL)


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Germany (yes it is a traditional country, with loooong history)

1 Rudi Altig
2 Dietrich Thurau
3 Rolf Wolfshohl
4 Hans Junkermann
5 Rolf Golz
6 Steffen Wesemann
7 Josef Fischer
8 Gregor Braun
9 Ludwig Geyer
10 Klaus-Peter Thaler (OK that's because I'm a cyclocross fanatic, otherwise Röbl or Stöpl)
1. ULLRICH, Jan (1x TOUR; 1x VUELTA; 2x WCTT; 2x TDS; 1x OLY; 1x HEW; 1x EMIL; 7x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)
2. ZABEL, Erik (4x MSR; 3x PT; 1x AGR; 1x HEW; 6x GREEN; 3x RHT; 1x SS; 12x TDFSTAGE)
3. ALTIG, Rudi (1x VUELTA; 1x WC; 1x RVV; 1x MSR; 1x RHT; 1x PIEM; 1x GREEN; 8x TDFSTAGE; 4x GIROSTAGE)
4. THURAU, Dietrich (1x ZUR; 1x LBL; 1x SS; 1x E3H; 6x TDFSTAGE; 2x GIROSTAGE)
5. KLODEN, Andreas (2x BASQ; 1x TA; 1x ROM; 1x PN)
6. LUDWIG, Olaf (1x AGR; 1x 4DUNK; 1x RHT; 1x GREEN; 1x E3H; 3x TDFSTAGE)
7. GOLZ, Rolf (1x ZUR; 1x FW; 2x MTO; 1x PIEM; 1x PB; 2x TDFSTAGE)
8. JUNKERMANN, Hans (2x TDS; 1x ZUR; 1x RHT)
9. WOLFSHOHL, Rolf (1x VUELTA; 1x PN; 2x TDFSTAGE)
10. VOIGT, Jens (5x CRI; 1x GPN; 2x TDFSTAGE; 1x GIROSTAGE)


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Luxembourg

1 Nicolas Frantz
2 François Faber
3 Charly Gaul
4 Andy Schleck
5 Kim Kirchen
6 Mathias Clemens
7 Jang Goldschmitt
8 Edy Schutz
9 Marcel Ernzer
10 Jean Majerus
1. FRANTZ, Nicolas (2x TOUR; 1x PT; 1x BASQ; 1x PB; 20x TDFSTAGE)
2. GAUL, Charly (1x TOUR; 2x GIRO; 2x KOM; 10x TDFSTAGE; 11x GIROSTAGE)
3. FABER, François (1x TOUR; 2x PT; 1x PR; 1x GDL; 1x BP; 1x PB; 19x TDFSTAGE)
4. SCHLECK, Frank (1x TDS; 1x AGR; 1x CRI; 1x EMIL; 2x TDFSTAGE)
5. SCHLECK, Andy (1x TOUR; 1x LBL; 3x TDFSTAGE)
6. KIRCHEN, Kim (1x FW; 1x PB; 1x TDFSTAGE)
7. CLEMENS, Mathias (1x TDFSTAGE)
8. SCHMITZ, Jean Pierre ()
9. GOLDSCHMIT, Jean (2x TDFSTAGE)
10. MERSCH, Arsène (1x TDFSTAGE)
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reg harris
tom simpson
mark cavendish
barry hoban
beryl burton
brian robinson
tony doyle
bradley wiggins
hugh porter
chris boardman
Cav and Wiggins are not English but apart from that I think that's not a bad list .
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Cav and Wiggins are not English but apart from that I think that's not a bad list .
Wiggins is English.
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