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Old 12-31-12, 10:23
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The difference is that Landis (and Hamilton) admitted to everything unlike Basso. Big difference.
Landis only admitted to everything once his entire life and career had fallen apart to the point where we were afraid he'd wind up another tragic figure found alone in a motel room.

Landis denied, denied and denied whilst attempting to come back, but was clearly blacklisted and unwanted, and it was only after he finally gave up on the final avenues of a return that he confessed. If Landis had been able to deny based on not having tested positive, like Ivan could, and had been able to return to a top level team, then maybe he would never have come clean.

It's hard to judge one against the other because the circumstances of their comeback affect their responses so extremely. Landis tested positive in July 2006, and didn't come clean until May 2011. That's nearly three years of attempted comebacks being thwarted at every turn, and guys who he knew stuff about treading on his toes. Who knows, if Floyd hadn't had information on Armstrong maybe his coming-out party would have been treated with the same rolled eyes that di Luca's admissions, coming after 18 months of claiming to be the victim of a conspiracy, were. But because Armstrong didn't think that the toes he trod on might be connected to a foot that would later kick him in the ***, Floyd was able to get everything off his chest eventually and have a receptive audience. Floyd doesn't have to worry about what the current péloton will do to him like Basso might (hear Millar's stories about the pace going up in the bunch when they find out it's him in the break, or Sella saying he had to go in the break early in his comeback cos all he'd get from a day in the bunch was a jersey covered in spit), because he has given up on any aspirations to be part of it.
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Old 12-31-12, 12:47
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Basso on CyclingNews today;

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Asked to make a prediction for the best rider of 2013, Basso picked Alberto Contador for stage races and teammate Peter Sagan for the classic.
Obvious he doesn't think much of Wiggins.
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Old 12-31-12, 12:57
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Obvious he doesn't think much of Wiggins.
He gives no allusion that that is the case. He says only that Contador is likely to win GTs. Contador wasn't there last year. Maybe you didn't notice that.

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Old 12-31-12, 13:22
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Basso in 'picks most successful GT rider of his generation as likely most successful GT rider of the year' shock. In other news, some bears have just s*** in some woods.
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Old 12-31-12, 13:33
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Only the real hardcore Sky - fanboys could be able to misread this quote of Basso.

The rest knows enough.

The Irony of your Name lol. You sound like a Lemond fanboy
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Old 12-31-12, 13:42
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And again, from the link that thehog took his quotes and on which he is basing this thread. The bits he wont quote..


So, Basso is saying directly that Wiggins did what he did because Wiggins is a champion, which is the polar opposite of a cheat.

It's amazing that thehog can try and spin this into Basso hinting that Sky are doping, but then thehog's ability to see only what he wants to see is a bit of a phenomenon in itself.
You have got to be kidding me.

"what they did at the Vuelta was incredible"

"Wiggins pulled off a miracle"

"Richie Porte is pulling and you are on the wheel pushing 420 watts, then explain to me, where are you going to go?"

"they’re riders with big balls"

And you think thehog is the only one seeing what he wants to see? Interesting that Basso singles out Porte, not Froome or Rogers - who did considerably more work (and damage) throughout the Tour. Let's remind ourselves of previous Richie Porte climbing performances - the 2010 Giro, which all the Sky apologists point to as "see, he always had talent, top 10 in the Giro".

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen...p?raceid=17390
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen...p?raceid=17391
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen...p?raceid=17395
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen...p?raceid=17396

Yeah, it seems legit that the guy losing 3-4 minutes on every mountain stage would suddenly be a top 8 climber at the Tour.

These are Porte's best climbing performances before joining Sky. He couldn't get over a fricking bridge riding for Alberto last season.
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Obvious he doesn't think much of Wiggins.
Basso is talking the talk but I would be surprised to see him on the podium of any grand tours ever again.
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So, Basso is saying directly that Wiggins did what he did because Wiggins is a champion, which is the polar opposite of a cheat.
Not necessarily. I'm sure Basso regards himself, Contador, Armstrong and others as champions.
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Basso is talking the talk but I would be surprised to see him on the podium of any grand tours ever again.
Yeppa. Top 5 at absolute best these days. Top 10 realistically.

The sport has moved on to about 2007 levels. Basso can't take those sort of risks again.
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Not necessarily. I'm sure Basso regards himself, Contador, Armstrong and others as champions.
Whilst I think you are probably correct, that runs contrary to the way in which the quote was attempted to be used by thehog.

He is attempting to infer that Basso is disgruntled by Wiggins, and Sky's achievements because he suspects they are cheating. The implication being that Basso is clean, otherwise what grounds for complaint would he have?

You have just included him in a list of convicted, and banned, dopers.
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