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But the fact remains, get the enablers too
you missed an important word out.
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Maybe u - and the others - are right and I am wrong. Was just philosofing on New Years Eve with a lot of lagers, not a good idea to be on an internetforum at the same time

But the fact remains, get the enablers.
Fair enough. And yes, get all the enablers...start with Bruyneel. I just wish someone like Lefevere would get busted too.
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Fair enough. And yes, get all the enablers...start with Bruyneel. I just wish someone like Lefevere would get busted too.
Bruyneel is done, gone and will never be forgotten for maybe the best logistics in doping. Lefevre has been doping his riders with EPO since 1991 and still is in function with buddy buddy Yvan van Mol.

Now, for something completely different: why are'nt doctors' licences revoked when they are proven to have been doping sporters? Does the oath of Hippocrates - you dont have to be a linguistic wonder to refrain Hippocrates to hypocrite - mean nothing?
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Bruyneel is done, gone and will never be forgotten for maybe the best logistics in doping. Lefevre has been doping his riders with EPO since 1991 and still is in function with buddy buddy Yvan van Mol.

Now, for something completely different: why are'nt doctors' licences revoked when they are proven to have been doping sporters? Does the oath of Hippocrates - you dont have to be a linguistic wonder to refrain Hippocrates to hypocrite - mean nothing?
The UCI had it chance with Ferrari. USADA bans him for life and all McQuaid can say "he's not a license holder".

Pat is scared or Ferrari. Or more to the point scared of what might happen if he took Ferrari out of circulation.
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Now, for something completely different: why are'nt doctors' licences revoked when they are proven to have been doping sporters? Does the oath of Hippocrates - you dont have to be a linguistic wonder to refrain Hippocrates to hypocrite - mean nothing?
Because at that point you start dealing with a state issue, not a sporting one. That won't fly.
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Because at that point you start dealing with a state issue, not a sporting one. That won't fly.
I can't help wondering how hard it would be for the UCI to require any personnel employed to be accredited. You can't just wander into the TdF village or caravan without it, how is the sport any different. That way a dodgy doc, ds or any other support person could then be excluded easily. Not rocket science.
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I can't help wondering how hard it would be for the UCI to require any personnel employed to be accredited. You can't just wander into the TdF village or caravan without it, how is the sport any different. That way a dodgy doc, ds or any other support person could then be excluded easily. Not rocket science.
Of course I agree with this, but that is not what FGL was saying.

He is stating if a doctor gets busted for doping in sport, his license that enables him to practice in the general public be revoked. This opens up a whole can of worms....it's just more unrealistic clinic babble.
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I can't help wondering how hard it would be for the UCI to require any personnel employed to be accredited. You can't just wander into the TdF village or caravan without it, how is the sport any different. That way a dodgy doc, ds or any other support person could then be excluded easily. Not rocket science.
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Of course I agree with this, but that is not what FGL was saying.

He is stating if a doctor gets busted for doping in sport, his license that enables him to practice in the general public be revoked. This opens up a whole can of worms....it's just more unrealistic clinic babble.
UCI could work with certifications.
Certify the reliable docs and take certifications away if a doc is caught doping riders. This would be more of a symbolic act, and won't prevent the doc from practicing of course.
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UCI could work with certifications.
Certify the reliable docs and take certifications away if a doc is caught doping riders. This would be more of a symbolic act, and won't prevent the doc from practicing of course.
Isn't this already happening? Last time I checked Ferrari for example has been banned, and riders are being suspended for using him after that fact.
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UCI could work with certifications.
Certify the reliable docs and take certifications away if a doc is caught doping riders. This would be more of a symbolic act, and won't prevent the doc from practicing of course.
Correct. They introduce such a program for DS's last year.
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