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Old 01-01-13, 18:53
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I totally agree, I didn't say Boardman was lottery funded but it was I think the catalyst.
No doubt about it.That was the start of British track cycling entering the modern era.I remember the GB pusuit team all had different bikes while the Germans were on FES carbon.
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Doesn't look a natural or normal progression at all. It actually looks like a "off the charts" phenomena.

It's unexplainable.
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In fact statistically almost impossible.
So you have guys like Coppi, Altig, Moser, Berzin, McGee, Wiggins plus some non-climbers (Ekimov, Boardman, Bobridge ... ) and you throw out words like phenomena and statistically almost impossible

This has got to be a wind-up? I don't usually comment but as a student of maths I feel a tad annoyed by this thread.

There's a lot of suspicious things about Wiggins but this isn't one of them.
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Old 01-01-13, 19:26
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Some peoples only goal is to annoy others.It is a characteristic commom amongst teenage boys.Think of Beavis and Butthead.
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Old 01-01-13, 19:33
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In fact statistically almost impossible.
'In fact', eh?

Is it. Is it really? Care to give us your statistical calculations?

I'm really good at statistics. Would love to see the Maths behind your conclusion.
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Old 01-01-13, 19:54
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Phinney will be next.
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Because the world needed another Sky thread that the same five people can participate in
Indeed, but why is it in the Clinic in the first place?
The title doesn't suggest the nefarious act.
Most of the debate has remained on topic, too.
Surely this thread should be in an appropriate section, such as track or road racing.
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Well, there is a recent precedent for this resulting in thread closure and accusation of trolling
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Old 01-01-13, 20:08
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Well, there is a recent precedent for this resulting in thread closure and accusation of trolling
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Doesn't look a natural or normal progression at all. It actually looks like a "off the charts" phenomena.
Does that belong in the road racing section?
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Could the rise of riders from track be more related to opportunity and funding?
Australia and to a similar extent Britain have stronger track programs and opportunity for medals at the big O every 4 years. In these countries there are only 4 road medals and what 20 or more on the track? For cycling to get funding they need medals and track is the game so everybody with cycling talent gets on a track bike. Their track exploits get them pro contracts and we find out what other talents they have.
In Europe Road racing has a lot of support and talent ID. Guys are not encouraged to go track but very early they see who can climb and they don't ride the track.
Very sinister indeed.
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Could the rise of riders from track be more related to opportunity and funding

Of course it is.

All the recent crop of succesful UK riders have come through the track programme because that is where the funding was, and that was pretty much the sole focus of British Cycling in the late 90's. The road stuff is the progression from that. British Cycling is based in Manchester Velodrome. Sky's office is down the road. The guy behind the track, road and Sky teams is Brailsford.
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