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Old 01-02-13, 20:07
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What is the Irish Examiner's vested interest in a man who called 2 riders scumbags who gave testimoney about the biggest sporting fraud ever?

McQuaid has a history of looking out for number 1. His breaking of the sporting apartheid to make money up to his head of the UCI.

His record as the head of a sporting organisation is an absolute joke.

When he was told about doping by riders he banned compression socks, and non-level seats.
Fixed that for you. Think it makes your points even stronger.

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Fixed that for you. Think it makes your points even stronger.

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Vested interest?? I'll engage in debate but don't be wasting my time with comments like that..
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Vested interest?? I'll engage in debate but don't be wasting my time with comments like that..
Let's put it another way: do you think u were being a journalist when interviewing McQuiad or were you happy at the oppurtunity? I have no idea of your credentials, if you are a cycling journo etc etc. Guess McQuaid is a big man in Ireland.

Seeing the interview you weren't too critical. Maybe there were some no go areas?
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Vested interest?? I'll engage in debate but don't be wasting my time with comments like that..
Pity the Examiner didn't engage in Journalism when interviewing McQuaid
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Let's put it another way: do you think u were being a journalist when interviewing McQuiad or were you happy at the oppurtunity? I have no idea of your credentials, if you are a cycling journo etc etc. Guess McQuaid is a big man in Ireland.

Seeing the interview you weren't too critical. Maybe there were some no go areas?
Since when is it an interviewer's job to be "critical?" Isn't it enough for the interviewer to get the subject to express himself? Maybe then, the audience can draw a more informed conclusion for themselves.

What questions should the interviewer have asked? That would be a more constructive criticism.
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Since when is it an interviewer's job to be "critical?"
MArk, please re-read my post, I definitely said 'journalist'. An 'interviewer' doesn't have to be critical, a commentator on a cycling course neither, a 'journalist' on the other hand has to be in my book.

In plain English/American:
Walsh is a journo
Ligett is a commentator/interviewer
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Since when is it an interviewer's job to be "critical?" Isn't it enough for the interviewer to get the subject to express himself? Maybe then, the audience can draw a more informed conclusion for themselves.

What questions should the interviewer have asked? That would be a more constructive criticism.
No, it is not.

Since when: Remember the whole thing about the US First Amendment, itself based on the English Bill of Rights? "When" is thus defined as 1689.

These canons on freedom of speech include 'responsibility' for what is spoken or written.

Freedom of speech, and responsibility for abuses of that freedom, in turn, provide the basis for freedom of the press. The concomitant responsibility for the accuracy of what is written give us Journalistic Ethics and Standards and the Canons of Journalism, which include "Fact Checking".

Thus, a 'constructive criticism' would include that the author conduct the most basic fact checking against Pat's statements. This is especially important when you are dealing with a well-known blowhard.

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Benotti I think you've something against me!!
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Benotti I think you've something against me!!
Nope. But if newspapers are not going to research a subject like McQuaid and put hard questions to him about his tenure as UCI president then expect some stick, especially if you defend an article like that as Journalism.
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