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Old 01-03-13, 00:04
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good question.
be interested to learn what role, if any, wiggo ascribes to vaughters in terms of promoting his road carreer.
Encouragement - that's all he needed. Brad didn't believe in himself, and then he did and -BAM- 4th in a GT. -BAM- win every race he wants to in 2012.

All because JV believed in him.

Same story for Tom Danielson.

Curious that the same story trotted out MANY years ago to explain how JV was helping Danielson (teaching him to pace himself) is the same sort of story trotted out now by Yates or whoever wrt Froome.

Great talents but longer races they needed better pacing "technical skills" is what it's called by those coaches.
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Yes, they will set out to lose races, that'll be what they do(?). Bet it's ridiculous posts like that which help Wiggo ignore all the sensible things that do get said here.
as sensible as his 400 watts rational of winning Tours?

Fine:
Lets have another season of Sky's domination from Algarve, to P-N, Tirrreno, Romandie, Dauphine, ToS- and to top it all: One-two podium in the Giro, Two place Podium in the Tour & One-two spots in the Vuelta..........and forget about those "haters" spewing "sensible things" said on CN

.......................& nobody is suppose to doubt it-right?



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Shame Kimmage has gone down the road of speculation, really devalues his own stock and gives credence to his enemies. The strength of his journalism was nailing down the facts and evidence nobody else would talk about. With remarks like those in this interview he joins the rabble who talk too much, suspect a lot but don't actually seem to know anything of relevance. Good luck to him finding a job if that his game now.
indeed-he was just "speculating" & "taking too much" when he spoke out about LA...........................oh wait!!!!
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as sensible as his 400 watts rational of winning Tours?

Fine:
Lets have another season of Sky's domnation from Algarve, to P-N, Tirrreno, Romandie, Dauphine, ToS- and to top it all: One-two podium in the Giro, Two place Podium in the Tour & One-two spots in the Vuelta..........and forget about those "haters" spewing "sensible things" said on CN

.......................& nobody is suppose to doubt it-right?





indeed-he was just "speculating" & "taking too much" when he spoke out about LA...........................oh wait!!!!
I think some of ya'll.need to.be careful of predicting what sky will.do.next year otherwise people will be able.to come back with comments like " i thought sky were going to dope their way to hundreds of wins".

Next year almost certainly can't be as good. Contador is back. Schleck is back. The 1 week races won't all be tt fests for wiggins. Rogers is gone. The tour doesn't suit them like.last year. Froome won't have anywhere near as good a team as wiggins did.

And from a doping point of.view, if they are doping it could always have been a 2012 Olympics thing
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I think some of ya'll.need to.be careful of predicting what sky will.do.next year otherwise people will be able.to come back with comments like " i thought sky were going to dope their way to hundreds of wins".
Scenario 1: Sky have a relatively poor 2013.

Interpretation A: This proves their doping in 2012, look how bad they are without mega dope.

Interpretation B: Completely realistic performances, they would be doing better if they were doping.

Scenario 2: Sky have a very strong 2013.

Interpretation A: Sky obviously still doping like crazy to dominate.

Interpretation B: Shows that 2012 was not an aberration, they are performing consistently therefore unlikely that doping explains their results.

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Could Team Sky be brought crashing down due to bad publicity even if they didn't dope.
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Could Team Sky be brought crashing down due to bad publicity even if they didn't dope.
UK is their primary market, I believe. Unlikely bad publicity would get far there, due to libel laws and Sky's influence in the media.
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Scenario 1: Sky have a relatively poor 2013.

Interpretation A: This proves their doping in 2012, look how bad they are without mega dope.

Interpretation B: Completely realistic performances, they would be doing better if they were doping.
Interpretation C. Bailsford has been unable to replace Lienders
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Scenario 2: Sky have a very strong 2013.

Interpretation A: Sky obviously still doping like crazy to dominate.

Interpretation B: Shows that 2012 was not an aberration, they are performing consistently therefore unlikely that doping explains their results.
Interpretation C. Bailsford has been able to replace Lienders
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Ha. Nicely done.
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The only thing that Kimmage say's is relevent is Leinders, but then why not compeare with Rabbobank (less shocj value I guess).
Considering the court decision that would indeed have been the correct comparison.. and would show exactly the problem.

On a side note, the "he can never satisfy the wolves" nonsense is just nonsense.

PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.

1. Wiggins should not have gone back on his word. He fully realizes the critics are 100% right in questioning him, so why cry about it? Be upfront and say that you understand our scepticism.
2. Be transparent. He realized years ago that that was the only way forward. So why the change?
3. The lies and cover ups about hiring Leinders are absolutely ridiculous.

Brailsford/Wiggins only can look at themselves about why people question them. They simply show they are not to be trusted on their word on exactly the biggest issue in Cycling right now. And that's worrisome.
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