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Old 01-03-13, 16:47
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Bauer didn't have it. He said he had a lot of trouble hanging behind Hellner.
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Old 01-03-13, 17:05
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Bauer didn't have it. He said he had a lot of trouble hanging behind Hellner.
He's also said he's not good enough to win this year due to his injuries this summer.

At the moment Legkov is the big favourite really. Northug needs to somehow get a minute or so on him before the final day, which seems very unlikely unless Legkov screws up his skis the next 2 days.
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Old 01-03-13, 17:28
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I too was a bit bummed about Hellner having to do all the work and Bauer wheelsucking most of the time. Perhaps he too didnt just have it.

Realistically, how much faster is Johaug gonna be in the final climb than Kowa? I'd wager 45sec-1min, max but would not be too surprised if the difference was less. Historically Johaug has gained more if my memory serves, maybe in 2011 or 2010.

Last year climb times (hill only) and analysis

1. Johaug 19.23.9
2. Kowalczyk 19.34.3
3. Valentina Shevchenko 19.47.7
4. Marit BjÝrgen 20.01.05
5. Katrin Zeller 20.19.9
6. Marthe Kristoffersen 20.20.0
7. Elizaberth Stephen 20.22.2
8. Krista Lšhteenmški 20.31.0
9. Ishida Masako 20.53.7
10. Astrid Uhrenholdt Jacobsen 20.57.4

http://worldofxc.com/blog/2011/01/09...nalysis-women/
Total stage was 51 seconds, however, with Johaug in the middle of nowhere and no chance of advancing, nor risk of being overtaken.
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Old 01-03-13, 18:54
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Aren't those results from 2011?
Indeed they are. Thanks for the correction!
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Old 01-03-13, 19:11
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Bjørgen wasn't at the Tour de Ski in 2011, so those times must be 2012, no?

Also, Johaug put way more than 11 seconds into Kowalczyk that day in 2011. She started the Alpe Cermis stage at 3'29 and crossed the line at 1'21. At the timecheck at 5,6km (so roughly the start of the climb) she was at 2'35, so that would suggest Johaug climbed the Alpe 1'14 quicker than Kowalczyk in 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XqiJ...t=HL1357240047 (part 1 of 3)

At the same time, that year Kowalczyk had an almost impregnable advantage by the time they got to that stage, while Johaug in 5th was almost inevitably going to pass Majdic on the climb and with Folis and Longa both well within her reach. Similarly you could argue that last year Kowalczyk raced the Alpe harder with the race on the line, while Johaug had nothing to race for. So it's hard to tell what the time gap would be if both were going full gas because we don't know if Kowalczyk went as hard as possible in 2011 or if Johaug went as hard as possible in 2012.
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Old 01-03-13, 19:31
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Right. I'll blame this tag:

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Posted by Jan Kocbach, 09 Jan 2011@13:19
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Old 01-03-13, 19:48
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Lower down the page they link to the 2011 results. They don't have isolated climb times for 2011 however, only the stage times. Here they are:



Stage results:
1 5 3425301 JOHAUG Therese NOR 33:14.4
2 12 3425117 ELDEN Marte NOR 34:14.8
3 9 3425349 KRISTOFFERSEN Marthe NOR 35:08.3
4 1 3435001 KOWALCZYK Justyna POL 35:13.7
5 21 1142563 SHEVCHENKO Valentina UKR 35:21.2
6 8 3185256 LAHTEENMAKI Krista FIN 35:27.1
7 14 1247226 ZELLER Katrin GER 35:35.2
8 19 3505003 RYDQVIST Maria SWE 35:40.6
9 2 1222200 LONGA Marianna ITA 35:46.1
10 10 3425183 JACOBSEN Astrid Uhrenholdt NOR 35:56.4
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Over in the biathlon, Martin Fourcade's injury is apparently not as bad as feared; he's done a bit of skiing on it in Oberhof and will make a decision on Saturday morning as to whether to start the sprint; I assume this means he will be entered in it and then will make the call himself afterward. If the trails are anything like they were in today's women's relay however, he may think twice about risking it since there were many falls. Ukraine won in a good race, thanks mainly to Olena Pidhrushna's performance, easily the best on leg 3, while France shot well and will rue their lack of ski speed; Anaïs Bescond was pretty decent and Sophie Boilley ok, but Brunet's lack of speed (even taking into account that she crashed) will be a worry for the team. Germany on the other hand were better on the skis but lost far too much in the range - although this season's version of Tina Bachmann and Franzi Hildebrand are hardly ace skaters, and the team's race more or less represented the form of Miri Gößner, skiing rings around everyone, then skiing rings around the penalty loop while everyone else headed for the finish. Apparently she had a problem with her sights at the stand though, which mitigates her somewhat, especially after she shot 5/5 from prone (which will bring those 'new Neuner' calls back into play yet again, of course). Hilde Fenne couldn't duplicate the magic of Hochfilzen, while Darya Domracheva set the fastest leg time for the fourth leg, only for it to be rendered irrelevant by surprisingly poor shooting from the Belarusian team before her; poor shooting from Dubarezava and uncharacteristically similarly poor shooting from Kalin'chik rendered anything Dasha and Skardino could manage irrelevant, unusual from a team that has usually been able to use strong shooting to overcome weak skiing and place themselves at least somewhere reasonable for Domracheva to fight for results from on leg 4. Intriguingly, Krystyna Palka set the best course time for the first leg, although few names of any great pace went on leg 1, while Sophie Boilley was 6" off being the fastest on her leg, although Pidhrushna shot faster and more accurately as well as skiing that little bit faster. No surprises with Gößner and Domracheva being the fastest on their legs, Domracheva by 45 seconds - suggesting she may well be on her way back to her best after a patchy start to the season. And if she is, then trails had better beware, cos she'll eat them up.
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Today's Tour de SKi stage is really od.
I mean 3 and 5km, really? Don't see the deeper sense of thi stage at all. If it was a prologue ok, but at this point in time
I have to say the distances the women go are quiet of a joke anyway. I mean yesterday#s satge. Men 35km, women 15km. Come on. They earn the same price money, so why have those ridiclously short stages all the time. Why couldn't they have done 25km yesterday?
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Today's Tour de SKi stage is really od.
I mean 3 and 5km, really? Don't see the deeper sense of thi stage at all. If it was a prologue ok, but at this point in time
I have to say the distances the women go are quiet of a joke anyway. I mean yesterday#s satge. Men 35km, women 15km. Come on. They earn the same price money, so why have those ridiclously short stages all the time. Why couldn't they have done 25km yesterday?
Agree. In general, the distances in TDS are way too short, not only for women. In total, the men go 90 km over the course of 9 days. That's a whopping 10 km average per day. Most people do a lot more than that when on winter holidays

For the women, every race is basically a sprint. Which is why Kowalczyk and BjÝrgen are so dominant. Real skiers like Johaug and Steira would be a lot closer if they had some long races.
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