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Old 07-29-09, 18:28
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I wonder if there is a point where a body builds an immunity to all the pharmacuticals cheats employ ?
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Old 07-29-09, 18:39
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Default scott sutherland

what do folks think about scott getting in then out of cervelo? the reasons why seemed very secret. at the time i thought it was highly suspicious. but now i dont know which way its suspicious-any thoughts folks?
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Old 07-29-09, 19:06
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I wonder if there is a point where a body builds an immunity to all the pharmacuticals cheats employ ?
Yes, you do get an immunity to doping products. For example, your immune system will eventually form antibodies against synthetic erythropoietin (and, if you dope for long enough, against your own EPO).

If you took EPO for very long periods of time, you would develop immunity against all forms of erythropoietin and you would depend on periodical blood transfusions to survive, since your body would be unable to create new blood cells.
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Old 01-03-13, 20:32
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Luttenberger, CSC in 2003 and 2004, as of today known as a blooddoper.
http://nos.nl/artikel/457976-weer-be...-rabobank.html
Anyone still believes in the Sastre miracle?

Btw, does anyone know how fast (VO2 max and all that) Sastre was in 2008 compared to Wiggins 2009/2012?
Just curious if the comparison does or does not confirm the "it's so much slower now" claim.
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Old 01-03-13, 21:12
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Anyone still believes in the Sastre miracle?
yes. I believe.
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Old 01-03-13, 21:46
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Anyone still believes in the Sastre miracle?
I would be very surprised if Sastre was clean when he won the TdF.
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Old 01-03-13, 22:24
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I would be very surprised if Sastre was clean when he won the TdF.
IMO Sastre had a BB the day before alpe d'Huez in 2008.
He knew he would be strong for the climb, timed perfectly his attack in order to create the largest possible gap and trap the Schlecks.
According to cyclismag.com (Portoleau's power guesstimates), he did 6.4w/kg for 22', 6.2 w/kg for the whole climb. Less than 40', close to Landis'/Mayo/Klöden times for example, clearly not possible without oxygen booster.
http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=4386
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Old 01-03-13, 22:38
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IMO Sastre had a BB the day before alpe d'Huez in 2008.
He knew he would be strong for the climb, timed perfectly his attack in order to create the largest possible gap and trap the Schlecks.
According to cyclismag.com (Portoleau's power guesstimates), he did 6.4w/kg for 22', 6.2 w/kg for the whole climb. Less than 40', close to Landis'/Mayo/Klöden times for example, clearly not possible without oxygen booster.
http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=4386
poor little Sastre with innocent deer like eyes and a sad face.
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Old 01-03-13, 22:49
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IMO Sastre had a BB the day before alpe d'Huez in 2008.
He knew he would be strong for the climb, timed perfectly his attack in order to create the largest possible gap and trap the Schlecks.
According to cyclismag.com (Portoleau's power guesstimates), he did 6.4w/kg for 22', 6.2 w/kg for the whole climb. Less than 40', close to Landis'/Mayo/Klöden times for example, clearly not possible without oxygen booster.
http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=4386
Yet that's only a minute or so faster than Moncoutie rode at his best (with far more to fight for!). So judging by Moncoutie's time, I'd say that the time Sastre posted is certainly within the realms of possibilities for an extraordinary talented clean climber.
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Old 01-03-13, 23:12
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Yet that's only a minute or so faster than Moncoutie rode at his best (with far more to fight for!). So judging by Moncoutie's time, I'd say that the time Sastre posted is certainly within the realms of possibilities for an extraordinary talented clean climber.
Indeed, tiny climber with a solid TT engine in the last week of the TdF 2008 parcours:

1. CANCELLARA Fabian CSC 1h04'11" 80
2. KIRCHEN Kim THR 40" 50
3. VANDE VELDE Christian TSL 44" 35
4. MILLAR David TSL 01'16" 25
5. MENCHOV Denis RAB 01'34" 15
6. EVANS Cadel SIL 01'44" 10
7. LANG Sebastian GST 01'58" 5
8. HINCAPIE George THR 02'07" 3
9. LÖFKVIST Thomas THR 02'08" 2
10. SASTRE CANDIL Carlos CSC 02'13"

53km is just the ideal distance for Sastre. Lost about 30s or so to the grinder himself, Mr Evans.

Mind you another clean rider Vande Velde came 4th the year (overall).
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