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Old 01-03-13, 23:06
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This is precious. Play that kind of love for Lance and you'd be scorned to death by the haters.
Your poor people's judgement shines through again.
If one plays that kind of love for Landis, it is implied that one won't play that kind of love for Lance. As I tried to explain, he and Landis are on opposite sides on a scale from humain/modest to a-hole/arrogant.

by the way, now that we've mentioned it:
I love Greg, but why was he speaking out against Floyd, spilling beans from a confidential friggin conversation?
That looks like snitching of the worst kind, though I have to admit I don'T know the whole background to that story. Was Greg asked to testify? Or did he voluntarily step forward?
Anyway, based on what I know of the story, I can understand Floyd flipped out when he learned Greg was gonna snitch him out like that.

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Old 01-03-13, 23:20
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well, this is just brilliant. Needs a copy in the chaos thread.
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Old 01-03-13, 23:33
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Your poor people's judgement shines through again.
If one plays that kind of love for Landis, it is implied that one won't play that kind of love for Lance. As I tried to explain, he and Landis are on opposite sides on a scale from humain/modest to a-hole/arrogant.

by the way, now that we've mentioned it:
I love Greg, but why was he speaking out against Floyd, spilling beans from a confidential friggin conversation?
That looks like snitching of the worst kind, though I have to admit I don'T know the whole background to that story. Was Greg asked to testify? Or did he voluntarily step forward?
Anyway, based on what I know of the story, I can understand Floyd flipped out when he learned Greg was gonna snitch him out like that.
You ought to rethink your opinion of "snitching." Snitching is clearly good in pro cycling. There is no way that testing is going to catch the dopers. Testing science is always chasing to catch up to doping science. Only snitches can provide the evidence necessary to catch the dopers.

Floyd's massive snitching was laudatory! Fortunately, for him, it coincided with his financial self interest. Hopefully Floyd will be able to pull some money off of Lance.

I'm not going to defend Greg Lemond for you. He's a great hero and he needs no defense. Floyd, on the other hand, needs all the little snipers he can get!
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Old 01-03-13, 23:38
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more poor judgement.

Lemond was going to spill beans from a private phone conversation he had had with Landis. Landis had told Greg in confidentiality that he had doped. And Greg spills it in court. Not nice of Greg. Understandable (in my opinion) that Floyd was ****ed.
Landis never admitted to LeMond that he doped. He said something that could be construed as an oblique admission if you want to reach a bit. There was no reason for LeMond to have been at the arbitration. He added nothing of value to the hearing. LeMond's reputation would have been better off if he would not have meddled in the case.
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Old 01-03-13, 23:44
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You ought to rethink your opinion of "snitching." Snitching is clearly good in pro cycling.
i understand that in your black and white world there's just one type of snitching.
in my world though the circumstances under which Greg decides to snitch on Floyd based on a confidential conversation, are quite different from the circumstances under which Floyd decided to come out of the closet in those emails. Floyd felt like a rat in cage. I think I understand why he went fullthrottle. As for Greg, I'm still trying to understand what drove him to snitch out Floyd.
Also, it's not at all difficult to understand that Floyd must have felt great injustice comparing his own fate to that of Lance.
What injustice did Greg feel? Floyd had been caught already.

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Old 01-04-13, 00:04
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i understand that in your black and white world there's just one type of snitching.
in my world though the circumstances under which Greg decides to snitch on Floyd based on a confidential conversation, are quite different from the circumstances under which Floyd decided to come out of the closet in those emails. Floyd felt like a rat in cage. I think I understand why he went fullthrottle. As for Greg, I'm still trying to understand what drove him to snitch out Floyd.
Also, it's not at all difficult to understand that Floyd must have felt great injustice comparing his own fate to that of Lance.
What injustice did Greg feel? Floyd had been caught already.
Floyd went full throttle because he was a committed doping cheat. He followed that path (full throttle) from helping Lance Armstrong, to winning his own Tour de France, to lying throughout the arbitration process, to trying to get a new ride on a pro team. In other words, Floyd was a typical pro cyclist. No better and no worse.
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Old 01-04-13, 00:23
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Floyd went full throttle because he was a committed doping cheat. He followed that path (full throttle) from helping Lance Armstrong, to winning his own Tour de France, to lying throughout the arbitration process, to trying to get a new ride on a pro team. In other words, Floyd was a typical pro cyclist. No better and no worse.
respect your view, and can agree with the part in bold.
Anyway, his time between August 2007 and 2010 must have been one hell of a bad dream. I feel a mixture of empathy, pity and sympathy for the guy, but that's largely a matter of personal taste of course.
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i understand that in your black and white world there's just one type of snitching.
in my world though the circumstances under which Greg decides to snitch on Floyd based on a confidential conversation, are quite different from the circumstances under which Floyd decided to come out of the closet in those emails. Floyd felt like a rat in cage. I think I understand why he went fullthrottle. As for Greg, I'm still trying to understand what drove him to snitch out Floyd.
Also, it's not at all difficult to understand that Floyd must have felt great injustice comparing his own fate to that of Lance.
What injustice did Greg feel? Floyd had been caught already.
Perhaps because LeMond feels a genuine love for (clean) cycling. From all his actions so far, it seems to me that LeMond is a very genuine guy who is upstanding and honest. But hey, that is just me. In that respect I can imagine that he didn't want Landis to get away with doping on some technicality and stepped in (needed or not).

From someone who seems so hellbent on cheats being exposed I find it strange that you apply different standards when it comes to Landis. Do we se a bit of fanboism here in the ever so righteous sniper?
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I love Greg, but why was he speaking out against Floyd, spilling beans from a confidential friggin conversation?
That looks like snitching of the worst kind, though I have to admit I don'T know the whole background to that story.
Ah, I did not realise that there were rules in place. Under what circumstances is it ok for a person to 'spill the beans' on someone that is doping?
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Ah, I did not realise that there were rules in place. Under what circumstances is it ok for a person to 'spill the beans' on someone that is doping?
Well that's obvious isn't it? When it concerns Armstrong, any rider from Garmin or Sky or Alberto Contador everything is allowed.
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