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Old 10-20-12, 20:09
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I took this from Velocipede Salon:

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There are more than a few people here who have been directly affected by all this stuff, especially the bike racers and people who sponsor bike racers, especially those of us who are in our early 30's and who raced our entire senior careers in such a hostile, inhuman, rigged environment, especially if we were(or wanted to be) MTB racers, and especially, if like many of my friends, you were on MTB teams supported by Trek(Trek slashed mtb budgets in 2000). The bike industry didn't owe any of us a living, mind you, but Weisel's boys made sure that there were as few pathways to the top as possible for the U23's of my generation. I have TOO MANY friends(lots of them) that lost things like collegiate national MTB championships or $600 checks at local races to dopes like Danielson. Bike racing is a very small world and anyone who was even slightly good at it was deeply impacted by the system Weisel's crew put in place.

The sheer amount of money that flowed out of MTB marketing toward road marketing destroyed plenty of lives and careers. It killed the careers of mechanics, team staff, PR guys, it forced "journalists" into even more sycophantic PR roles inside the industry. It put me and Stevil Kinevil behind keyboards instead of behind steering wheels driving big trucks full of tires around the country from one luxury ski resort to another for Japanese tire companies. It decimated the economies of small mountain towns. It drove thousands of passionate bike racers away from the sport.


Those of us here that are coaches, especially those of us who were full-time coaches in the thick of it(say 2004) also felt the heat hard. Tons of experience and race wins, prestigious degrees, certifications, licenses and all of that stuff were nothing against the Lance-Fueled CTS juggernaut that quickly engulfed a huge part of the coaching profession and effectively fixed prices and became the gorilla in the room. THOSE GUYZZZ COACH LANCE ZOMNGG@!!!

The amount if Freds and Newbs and clueless rich people and milquetoast Cancer Haters the "Lance Effect" brought into road bikes helped to put the nail in the coffin of American bicycle manufacturing too. Once the dollar signs were illuminated in the heavens it was real hard for profit-driven corporations not to crack the top of Pandora's 10% lighter, 20% stiffer box and fluff the hype on road bikes to a place that makes a rational persons skin crawl. Woohooo, sell road bikes! Woooo! Pro-Tour tested technology! Lance rides it! Who cares who made it, where it's made and that it costs $10k etc...

The Lance-Effect dittoheads and middle-american toe dippers "helped" the bike industry I suppose.

As a mountain bike racer and mountain bike builder and mountainbike fan I didn't/don't care much about that stuff though, especially since it brought in so many consumers that someone who has an opinion is allowed to perceive as ****ing worthless sheep that eat up marketing claims and believe in magic.

I'd be totally OK with the bike industry being smaller and poorer right now. Especially if it meant more income parity between road and mtb racers.
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I took this from Velocipede Salon:

Actually,

There are more than a few people here who have been directly affected by all this stuff, especially the bike racers and people who sponsor bike racers, especially those of us who are in our early 30's and who raced our entire senior careers in such a hostile, inhuman, rigged environment, especially if we were(or wanted to be) MTB racers, and especially, if like many of my friends, you were on MTB teams supported by Trek(Trek slashed mtb budgets in 2000). The bike industry didn't owe any of us a living, mind you, but Weisel's boys made sure that there were as few pathways to the top as possible for the U23's of my generation. I have TOO MANY friends(lots of them) that lost things like collegiate national MTB championships or $600 checks at local races to dopes like Danielson. Bike racing is a very small world and anyone who was even slightly good at it was deeply impacted by the system Weisel's crew put in place.

The sheer amount of money that flowed out of MTB marketing toward road marketing destroyed plenty of lives and careers. It killed the careers of mechanics, team staff, PR guys, it forced "journalists" into even more sycophantic PR roles inside the industry. It put me and Stevil Kinevil behind keyboards instead of behind steering wheels driving big trucks full of tires around the country from one luxury ski resort to another for Japanese tire companies. It decimated the economies of small mountain towns. It drove thousands of passionate bike racers away from the sport.


Those of us here that are coaches, especially those of us who were full-time coaches in the thick of it(say 2004) also felt the heat hard. Tons of experience and race wins, prestigious degrees, certifications, licenses and all of that stuff were nothing against the Lance-Fueled CTS juggernaut that quickly engulfed a huge part of the coaching profession and effectively fixed prices and became the gorilla in the room. THOSE GUYZZZ COACH LANCE ZOMNGG@!!!

The amount if Freds and Newbs and clueless rich people and milquetoast Cancer Haters the "Lance Effect" brought into road bikes helped to put the nail in the coffin of American bicycle manufacturing too. Once the dollar signs were illuminated in the heavens it was real hard for profit-driven corporations not to crack the top of Pandora's 10% lighter, 20% stiffer box and fluff the hype on road bikes to a place that makes a rational persons skin crawl. Woohooo, sell road bikes! Woooo! Pro-Tour tested technology! Lance rides it! Who cares who made it, where it's made and that it costs $10k etc...

The Lance-Effect dittoheads and middle-american toe dippers "helped" the bike industry I suppose.

As a mountain bike racer and mountain bike builder and mountainbike fan I didn't/don't care much about that stuff though, especially since it brought in so many consumers that someone who has an opinion is allowed to perceive as ****ing worthless sheep that eat up marketing claims and believe in magic.

I'd be totally OK with the bike industry being smaller and poorer right now. Especially if it meant more income parity between road and mtb racers.
this is good. but I feel we are missing a bit of context. can you link or add more detail like post replied to?
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this is good. but I feel we are missing a bit of context. can you link or add more detail like post replied to?
It is from a thread that was not about MTB. It was about haters and Armstrong. One of the guys from Spooky weighed in on how it affected him. I thought the stuff about CTS and how road cycling sucked the money out of MTB was interesting.

I am not so sure I buy all of it. MTB was in decline and road cycling was on the up before Armstrong won the Tour. I see the X-gameification of mountain biking as a big factor in its decline with recreational, fitness oriented riders. The growth segment in road cycling is middle aged yuppies. Those guys (and gals) can't risk injury by doing stupid things on a mountain bike. It cannot be a long term activity.

Meanwhile, cyclocross has exploded in popularity...
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[i]..., but Weisel's boys made sure that there were as few pathways to the top as possible for the U23's of my generation. I have TOO MANY friends(lots of them) that lost things like collegiate national MTB championships or $600 checks at local races to dopes like Danielson. Bike racing is a very small world and anyone who was even slightly good at it was deeply impacted by the system Weisel's crew put in place.

The sheer amount of money that flowed out of MTB marketing toward road marketing destroyed plenty of lives and careers.
I can't emphasize the accuracy of this observation enough. 2012 is almost over and nothing has changed at USAC/UCI. Their goal is not to develop a diverse cycling economy. It's to tithe the money that is in it. Right now, we're down to a tiny group of manufacturers and just a couple of brands fueling the UCI's elite racing. The money is still coming in, so nothing changes.

I was around perhipheral to everything during NORBA's heyday. UCI's race format is not designed for participation. Small, boring loops attract a few high-strung golf-loving riders. It's designed to develop actors for a media property.

The more popular events are still out there though attracting huge crowds but none are UCI sanctioned. The market for non-UCI races is fertile and prospering.

I would argue cross racing is only gaining popularity because of summer racers having money to burn seeking weekend warrior glory, not necessarily new consumers. Cross bike sales are increasing because they are legitimate multi-use bikes. As for road cycling sales increasing, I would argue it was because of increased bicycle transportation access and in the U.S. an aging population seeking low-injury, moderate exertion fitness. Look at how popular ski-lift mountain biking is.. But for the climbing part, moutain biking would be crazy popular.

Finally, I am one of those old dudes and we are neither fat nor slow. I'm not going to finish on the same lap in an Elite category race because there's no genetic gift.
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Its not MTB racing thats dead. Its XC racing that is dead.

ask Orba
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Its not MTB racing thats dead. Its XC racing that is dead.

ask Orba
Check this out!

http://bikeodyssey.gr/

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An epic race this May 2013 in the mountains of Greece
26th May - 2nd June 2013


Bike Odyssey is an eight - days mountain bike race across Pindus Mountains in Greece.

Eight days - eight stages, in a harsh mtb adventure. From the village of Laista in Zagorohoria up to the historical city of Delphi, this race will be a cycling odyssey for the riders!

The exact route is still to be decided but one thing is certain... Bike Odyssey will be the most demanding mtb race in Greece ever!
The route will include both paths and gravel roads in forested landscapes as well as small asphalt sections. The race will be a real mountain adventure for those who love mtb!
The total distance is approximately 515.7 km and spread over seven stages and a prologue with stopovers at the historic villages of Pindos and locations of natural beauty. Each participant will be a modern Odysseus that has to fight to get to our "Ithaca" by overcoming physical barriers, using all their ingenuity, skills and abilities and transcending oneself to finally reach its destination and be crowned winner! The difficulties will be many across the mountain trails in the Pindos. Eight days full of adventure and challenges for t riders.
More details will be announced soon. Information on the following links:
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bike-Odyssey/164291513617269
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Sounds quite interesting...
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Check this out!

http://bikeodyssey.gr/

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An epic race this May 2013 in the mountains of Greece
26th May - 2nd June 2013


Bike Odyssey is an eight - days mountain bike race across Pindus Mountains in Greece.

Eight days - eight stages, in a harsh mtb adventure. From the village of Laista in Zagorohoria up to the historical city of Delphi, this race will be a cycling odyssey for the riders!

The exact route is still to be decided but one thing is certain... Bike Odyssey will be the most demanding mtb race in Greece ever!
The route will include both paths and gravel roads in forested landscapes as well as small asphalt sections. The race will be a real mountain adventure for those who love mtb!
The total distance is approximately 515.7 km and spread over seven stages and a prologue with stopovers at the historic villages of Pindos and locations of natural beauty. Each participant will be a modern Odysseus that has to fight to get to our "Ithaca" by overcoming physical barriers, using all their ingenuity, skills and abilities and transcending oneself to finally reach its destination and be crowned winner! The difficulties will be many across the mountain trails in the Pindos. Eight days full of adventure and challenges for t riders.
More details will be announced soon. Information on the following links:
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bike-Odyssey/164291513617269
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Sounds quite interesting...
it does sound interesting. I like the enduro racing approach as well.

good links
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Because it turned into a freak show when it embraced the "extreme sports" image and started using stupid terms like "gravity racer." Crap like dual slalom and four cross did not help. Neither did rampant sandbagging.

Enduro//24 hour/100 mile events are where it's at now.
Agree 100%.
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