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Old 01-07-13, 10:13
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yes, he trained harder than everyone else
Dope enables you to train harder.
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yes, he trained harder than everyone else (1), his record proves it, yes, he doped better than anyone else. destroying people that get in the way of your goals is not cool, but it isn't throwing under the bus either (2), two different things you are talking about.
I hate Lance, he is not a good person, he is not good for cycling, he is a coward, just like Landis, Hamilton, Levi, and the rest.
but he won 7 TdF's (3), and not in the non-attacking/wait for the TT way either.
(1) Assumption

(2) Lance asked the head of Bassons, Simeoni, Lemond, Clerc, and Bordry... at least.

(3) No he cheated.
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Old 01-07-13, 11:14
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yes, he trained harder than everyone else, his record proves it, yes, he doped better than anyone else. destroying people that get in the way of your goals is not cool, but it isn't throwing under the bus either, two different things you are talking about.
I hate Lance, he is not a good person, he is not good for cycling, he is a coward, just like Landis, Hamilton, Levi, and the rest.
but he won 7 TdF's, and not in the non-attacking/wait for the TT way either.
He has no record, he has been wiped of the cycling map. Everything he has said has been lies. His training was doped more than anyone else as he had pre warning for OOC testing, UCI in his pocket. His whole career was one big dope fest. His career is not worthy of discussion in any realistic sporting sense.

To continue to think that he won TdF's shows how ridiculous your posts are.

Only the blind consider Armstrong a winner. he was the biggest loser in the history of sport.
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Old 01-07-13, 11:56
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Dope enables you to train harder.
Same goes for Sky.

With an equal amount of hours in each day. How does one actually train harder?
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Old 01-07-13, 13:50
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yes, he trained harder than everyone else, his record proves it, yes, he doped better than anyone else.
His record - which was achieved through massive amounts of cheating - can not be used as evidence that he trained the hardest. This is such obviously faulty logic. If somebody cheats and wins a race, there's no way one can say that person won because he trained the hardest.

Even if he hadn't cheated, and still won those races, it would not signify that he trained harder than everybody else. Other factors are involved in winning rather than just training hard.

During the Lance winning/doping era, when everybody was building the myth - the hype-machine justification for all his wins was "he trains harder than everybody else". We now know that wasn't the reason for all his wins. That anybody should believe that particular part of the myth now, when so many other things about Lance have been demonstrably shown to be lies, is the mark of a Lance fan boy.

Even the way this was initially posted, "and he trained harder than anybody, period" makes it obvious that we're dealing with a Lance fan boy. Making a statement like that sound as if it's a well-known fact, when it's nothing more than a declaration based on the now-discredited myth of Lance, is a great way to undermine one's credibility.
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Old 01-07-13, 14:18
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it starts when you are a little kid and you and your buddy decide to do something you are not supposed to do, you get caught, but your friend doesn't. everybody knows you don't tattle on him, you take your punishment, shut your mouth, and move on. life isn't fair. same applies here.
By that logic, Lance did the same because even though he was doping in turned in Hamilton and Mayo for doping.
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Lance Armstrong @lancearmstrong It's 2013, right? http://tinyurl.com/akj7sgf . Reading about 2002 is bull**** IMO. Oh wait. #supportcoachkearney

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/06/sp...html?hpt=hp_t1


This is sort of admission. It's good for me.
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Old 01-07-13, 14:48
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Same goes for Sky.

With an equal amount of hours in each day. How does one actually train harder?
1. increased intensity per unit time.
2. since few people train 24 hours per day, vary the time/day training.

It is also wrong to suppose doping simply allows you to train harder. If doping increases your functional threshold power (for example), then you would need to train at a higher level to achieve the same training load (e.g., TSS) than you would not doping.
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1. increased intensity per unit time.
2. since few people train 24 hours per day, vary the time/day training.

It is also wrong to suppose doping simply allows you to train harder. If doping increases your functional threshold power (for example), then you would need to train at a higher level to achieve the same training load (e.g., TSS) than you would not doping.
Thank-you.

More to the point is that by “training harder” doesn’t always mean an increase in “performance”. In many cases it means a decrease.

“training harder” doesn’t have a direct correlation to an increase in “performance”.

Generally it’s a way to explain doping. Recovery is key in Grand Tours.
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Old 01-07-13, 15:08
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yes, he trained harder than everyone else, his record proves it, yes, he doped better than anyone else. destroying people that get in the way of your goals is not cool, but it isn't throwing under the bus either, two different things you are talking about.
I hate Lance, he is not a good person, he is not good for cycling, he is a coward, just like Landis, Hamilton, Levi, and the rest.
but he won 7 TdF's, and not in the non-attacking/wait for the TT way either.
Looks like the last intern still isn't up to speed on training. He forgot to mention the Suitcase of Courage.
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