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Old 01-07-13, 23:30
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I agree there are some names on that list that are clearly ill-placed, such as Horner (0) and Lance (4), but that doesn't make the entire list worthless. It's not like they just made it up...People who are high rated most likely have unstable blood values, but of course some of them might have plausible, non-doping related explanations.
Don't forget that the scores were not just based on blood values, but also on results. I also seem to remember Quick Step or OPL saying something about their suspiscion indexes being higher simply because no OOC tests were taken for their riders over a certain period (hence greater targeting of tests). So it has never really been 100% clear what the scores are actually based on, and difficult to compare riders sensibly because you don't know where the individual scores came from.

In the context of the USADA report, and comments from the likes of Ashenden afterwards, it does make you wonder how good the scale is (and whether they are targeting their resources in the right places). Would be interesting at least to examine whether those getting higher scores have had a higher probability of being caught now 2 years have gone by.
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How come David Moncoutié is not anywhere on that list?
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How come David Moncoutié is not anywhere on that list?
He didn't ride the TDF that year.
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Sutton now "performance advisor", "stepping back from a day-to-day role within the team"...

http://www.teamsky.com/profile/0,272...384263,00.html
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Looks to be expensive. Only used by “high budget” teams and riders. Hence why only Wiggins and Froome look unnaturally thin without loss of power.
Interesting reference to AICAR treatment in a Vienna lab.

Our friend Geert Leinders had connections to Vienna labs from his Rabo days...
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Sutton now "performance advisor", "stepping back from a day-to-day role within the team"...

http://www.teamsky.com/profile/0,272...384263,00.html
They've just hired that Triathlon guy and Sutton is also heavily involved with the GB track team. Would not surprise me if he replaced Dan Hunt at British Cycling.
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Sorry that list has Thomas at 6 and Lance 4. That just makes the whole thing null in my eyes.
Wouldn't the lack of a spleen screw up your blood profile? (In the case of GT)
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I don't know how Siutsou and Rogers were so high riding for the clean Highroad outfit, must be an error.
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Old 01-08-13, 00:56
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I don't know how Siutsou and Rogers were so high riding for the clean Highroad outfit, must be an error.
Apparently the number went up if you had a good day.
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Old 01-08-13, 01:02
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Interesting reference to AICAR treatment in a Vienna lab.

Our friend Geert Leinders had connections to Vienna labs from his Rabo days...
So many dots to connect. Leinders was good for something seeing he never turned up to races.

Connections!
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