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Old 01-08-13, 01:13
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Even just within the UCI, the two functions to both promote cycling and police cycling are in potential conflict.

Evidence from Hein's time and from recent years as well shows that it's unfortunately been more than just potential.

I can appreciate that a role within WADA would be in conflict with phat's and his family's cycling promotion and rider management work.

In addition, the general corruption of phat is in conflict with any role he could perform within the WADA structure (but that one is not as open as the other issues).
LOL, right. Phat could f*€* up a cup of coffee, I hope he did get kicked through the uprights. Phat couldn't manage a Piggly Wiggly effectively.
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Old 01-08-13, 02:18
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Do you make this stuff up? John Fahey was confirmed as President of WADA seven years after the Sydney Olympics. He played and coached rugby league in his youth and was a director of the Bradman Foundation since 2001. Former Premier of NSW and lawyer. Give up the rubbish that Fahey wasn't qualified or had no credibility. Did you hear what he said about the Armstrong case?
As a Sydneysider you would know Fahey was never elected as Premier and never won an election. He inherited the job from the Deputy Premiership positoon after Greiner was forced to resign due to corruption. So he was No. 2 in a corrupt Govt who then lost Govt at the next election. Jumped from there to Federal Politics post the Olympics and after that went into WADA.

Following Festina in 1999, Fahey was very vocal and involved with the setup of WADA (and credit to him for that) as the process began in the lead up to the Olympics. He used his political position for the early involvement and the connections made at the time to secure the position later on. Go do some deeper research than simply looking at Wikipedia.

In relation to playing and coaching Rugby League, there are close to 25,000 registered coaches in NSW alone and who hasn't played junior rugby league in NSW. Playing junior league, does not offer huge credibility in terms of sport administration. No more than say playing little league baseball in the US makes someone a great sporting administrator.

In terms of the Bradman Foundation, I assume he must have got that gig because of his excellent sporting reputation as a junior league player? No. His connections and political positions helped him there too. John Howard is currently a Director. I wouldn't put his time on the Foundation as to do with his sporting admin credibility, but because as a politician he has general administration skills and knowledge.

In relation to Armstrong. What was Fahey saying about Armstrong before the USADA Reasoned Decision. The answer to that is next to nothing. He's a latter say saint in relation to Armstrong, just like many others.

He has no great sporting credibility prior to his role in administration of the Olympics and he only got to where he is as a result of his political connections. He's certainly no great crusader for clean sport.

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In relation to playing and coaching Rugby League, there are close to 25,000 registered coaches in NSW alone and who hasn't played junior rugby league in NSW. ...
I haven't played junior rugby league in NSW. There may be others.

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I haven't played junior rugby league in NSW. There may be others.

Dave.
Since you're in Canada and not NSW, I would imagine that isn't even relevant to you. But since the post was addressed to a Sydney resident, it was relevant to him/her.

Even with that, certainly it was a statement aimed more at the boys in the state, not necessarily all of the girls.

Two ways to interpret that quote, so perhaps the better way to write it would have been "who in NSW hasn't played junior rugby league", which was the intention it was written with.

I was certainly aware that not all of the World's population have played rugby league, which I'm sure you also knew. But have at it with your literal interpretation if it gives you some feeling of moral superiority for an unknown reason. Doesn't change the general intent though (ie. playing junior rugby league doesn't rate highly for sport cred at a senior level. It's a common thing in the state of NSW).

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In the large old boys club that control sports and anti-doping John Fahey is probably one of the best hopes we have. Being overly critical of him misses the point (and opportunity) that the debate now needs to focus on getting better administration in cycling.
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In the large old boys club that control sports and anti-doping John Fahey is probably one of the best hopes we have.
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Being overly critical of him misses the point (and opportunity) that the debate now needs to focus on getting better administration in cycling.
I doubt that Fahey will have much influence at all in changing the administration of cycling. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't expect him to do much.
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Old 01-08-13, 03:59
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WADA has actually done a pretty commendable job in this huge circus.

My point was that the debate, here and everywhere, needs to focus on Pat/Hein, their possible successors and new ways of administering cycling and anti doping in cycling.

Having a go at WADA/Fahey is taking emphasis away from where it is needed.
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My point was that the debate, here and everywhere, needs to focus on Pat/Hein, their possible successors and new ways of administering cycling and anti doping in cycling.
+1 on that

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Having a go at WADA/Fahey is taking emphasis away from where it is needed.
This is the difficult part within this current thread. On WADA I agree with sniper and DirtyWorks. They are another cog in the old-boys club, even though they've been fairly critical of the UCI for several years. In the end, WADA is just a smoke screen to provide some undeserved credibility to Olympic sports.

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For a senior cycling administrator to sit on WADA makes total sense as cycling is one of the key sports that WADA needs to have on board to implement its program and succeed in its stated mission (if you believe it has this in its best interest - I do).
This is pretty optimistic and really has no basis in recent history. None. Again, the bio-passport program is theater. WADA certified labs tests samples that the sports federations have made sure there is enough time in the rules to cool the afternoon doping glow. UCI, IAAF, FIFA will ignore results as they see fit is how it works.

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towards more fall out and potentially serious damage via a Lance admission, Bruyneel, Padua, new AICAR testing, UCI and national fed investigations,
This is news to me. Who is investigating what? Unless the AICAR test catches the federations by surprise like CERA did, the word will get out way, way ahead of test implementation.

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Next watch for IOC dissociating itself publicly from Pat & Hein and working behind the scenes for an elegant solution for those 2.
Hein's the problem here. Let's say they do the impossible and retire Hein, and put Pat in SportAccord Siberia. I don't see how they manage away Hein, but let's pretend he retires. Alain(sp) takes over? They get someone from FIFA? I don't have a clue, so any ideas would be great. Bottom line, more of the same.
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Who cares who comes next, let that be the next problem. Meanwhile phat fack off. Best news!!!!!
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