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Old 01-09-13, 21:50
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However, the omerta didn't work for Lance at all.
Even with the Landis angle, Lance only went down because the Feds got involved due to state funds being allegedly misused at US Postal. If the team had been sponsored by the Discovery Channel from the word go then the Feds wouldn't have got involved and none of the ex-team-mates would have had a knock on the door from armed Federal Marshalls. Hamilton was quite clear that it was the armed Marshalls at the front door that made him fess up.
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Its the fans of wiggins and in particular of team gb who believe wiggins is clean because he's one of the lads ( and if contador and lance have taught us anything they would believe it even if wiggins tested positive).
True, although it is worth noting that the Clen bust gave Contador a huge amount of wiggle room. If it had been an EPO positive it might have been a different story.

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However among people who didnt grow up watching Zulu , reading tolkein and singing Jerusalem, the predominant view.is still that this entire tour de France thing is a drug fest top.to bottom.
The predominant view here maybe, but that is a very small self-selecting sample. Even Ashenden refers to 'pockets of doping' rather than wholesale.
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Old 01-09-13, 21:55
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Even with the Landis angle, Lance only went down because the Feds got involved due to state funds being allegedly misused at US Postal. If the team had been sponsored by the Discovery Channel from the word go then the Feds wouldn't have got involved and none of the ex-team-mates would have had a knock on the door from armed Federal Marshalls. Hamilton was quite clear that it was the armed Marshalls at the front door that made him fess up.
Take the longer view. Armstrong was swimming in direct accusations and testimonies for years. It took a long time coming, but it came.
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Old 01-09-13, 22:07
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Take the longer view. Armstrong was swimming in direct accusations and testimonies for years. It took a long time coming, but it came.
the sky-accusations are already there, and they're not less serious than the ones Lance/USPS was facing in 1999.
Lance 1999 had the cortisone pos to explain, Sky 2012 have Leinders to explain.

but imo you're still grossly underestimating brailsford and Sky. You really think they're gonna let things escalate the way Lance, Hog and UCI did? Of course you don't. Brailsford must have learned something from the Lance case.
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Old 01-09-13, 22:13
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the sky-accusations are already there, and they're not less serious than the ones Lance/USPS was facing in 1999.
Lance 1999 had the cortisone pos to explain, Sky 2012 have Leinders to explain.
Leinders isn't the same as a positive test, although I agree that it doesn't look good. Let's face it though, why bother asking for an explanation? It isn't as if you will be open to listening to it. Your mind is already made up, is it not?
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the sky-accusations are already there, and they're not less serious than the ones Lance/USPS was facing in 1999.
Lance 1999 had the cortisone pos to explain, Sky 2012 have Leinders to explain.

but imo you're still grossly underestimating brailsford and Sky. You really think they're gonna let things escalate the way Lance, Hog and UCI did? Of course you don't. Brailsford must have learned something from the Lance case.
Brailsford and his lackeys are also learning from the clinic. Sadly. It will be hard to catch their doping, but someone will eventually tell all. There is always 1 from Stephen Swart who wanted to clear his conscience to a Floyd Landis who does it for revenge.
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Brailsford and his lackeys are also learning from the clinic. .
I think you might be over-selling yourself just a little bit there.
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Old 01-09-13, 22:24
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I think you might be over-selling yourself just a little bit there.
again you're underestimating brailsford et al.
he'd be dumb not to have trolls check in here to read, learn, and distort.
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Old 01-09-13, 22:29
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You think?

I'm pretty sure he has more important things to do. It isn't as if this little infinitessimally small corner of the internet is important. I'm amazed that you think it is.

Who are his trolls distorting on here?
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again you're underestimating brailsford et al.
he'd be dumb not to have trolls check in here to read, learn, and distort.
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