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Old 01-10-13, 13:19
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Additional witnesses and evidence have surfaced over last few months, so maybe he has some additional back up that he didn't have earlier. Or maybe this info wasn't needed since Lance gave up his right to contest USADA. Or maybe it's more important this info be used in the Hog proceedings?

Simple answer. UCI would never have ratified the USADA report if that meant throwing themselves under the bus as well. TT knew that, and picked another time for that battle.
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Old 01-10-13, 13:47
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Holy Sh!t! This is a bombshell:
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I thought the same thing. That and armstrong having met with TT to discuss the "path to redemption." His gall almost leaves me speechless, then I am reminded who it is.

armstrong didn't need to give as much cold hard cash to UCI as he attempted to donate to USADA, UCI's fringe benefits were taken into consideration.

Thanks for the links RR, the NYvelocity smiling Oprah avatar is priceless.
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Old 01-10-13, 14:38
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Simple answer. UCI would never have ratified the USADA report if that meant throwing themselves under the bus as well. TT knew that, and picked another time for that battle.
Makes sense but Saugy has denied it was a positive since 2011, has that changed recently?
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Old 01-10-13, 14:42
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Simple answer. UCI would never have ratified the USADA report if that meant throwing themselves under the bus as well. TT knew that, and picked another time for that battle.
Very astute observation.

In addition the report was not a report on the UCI.

The UCI battle is for Bruyneel when he goes full retard.
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Old 01-10-13, 15:01
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Yes this is the bit that was originally missing in the reasoned decision, ie the real meat on UCI complicity in the LA case. Of course the reasoned decision was never about UCI per se.

With the Oprah interview now scheduled, the UCI investigation under way, Tygart has obviously decided now is as good a time as any to go public with this part of the story.
TT is painting his masterpiece. the USPS case is his mona lisa. i'm thorougly impressed with his manipulation of the media. he's comfortable as both aggressor and counterpuncher with well timed disclosures. it's been beautiful to watch.

it looks like a completely uneven playing field, like school children competing against grown men. TT as billy madison swatting away the pitiful attempts lobbed up by 3rd graders. LA (and the few friends he has left) are so obviously overmatched intellectually i wonder why they bother. they are a total embarrassment to themselves.
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Old 01-10-13, 15:15
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Anthony Tan: "No wonder the likes of David Walsh, Paul Kimmage and the rest of those – that is, us – who care about salvaging and restoring cycling’s battered reputation and its beleaguered victims, continue to feel aggrieved and peeved."

Anthony Tan, how dare you, seriously, how ****ing dare you, even try and put your name in with Kimmage and Walsh as "us" You were right up there with the knowledgeless apologists.. Now you want to jump on the bandwagon.. **** right off!

The only thing worse than someone whos late to the party, is someone whos late, turns up without a bottle, proceeds to drink everyone elses beer and then tries to shag drunk blokes girlfriend.. Tan, you are late to the party sucker


Kimmage, Walsh, Tan, US.. Spot the odd one out..
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Old 01-10-13, 15:23
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TT is painting his masterpiece. the USPS case is his mona lisa. i'm thorougly impressed with his manipulation of the media. he's comfortable as both aggressor and counterpuncher with well timed disclosures. it's been beautiful to watch.

it looks like a completely uneven playing field, like school children competing against grown men. TT as billy madison swatting away the pitiful attempts lobbed up by 3rd graders. LA (and the few friends he has left) are so obviously overmatched intellectually i wonder why they bother. they are a total embarrassment to themselves.
agree.
However, UCI can deny like they always do and go on with business as usual.
It'll be Saugy's word against UCI's.
UCI will simply sit this one out, like they're sitting out basically everything that is thrown their way.
Silence is their strategy. Not respond to anything or anyone.
Unless Bruyneel or Lance unexpectedly decide to come out of the closet, i think a bit more is needed to tumble Phat and Heinous.
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Old 01-10-13, 15:25
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Makes sense but Saugy has denied it was a positive since 2011, has that changed recently?
From what I read in French and English over the last few years, Saugy says that his opinion as a lab director was that the test results led him to believe that EPO was used to manipulate the blood.

He never really goes so far as to say there was an 'official' positive which begs the question as to what is required, and who is required to declare a test 'positive'. It appears that the leadership of the UCI chose to use its discretion in the determination of what a 'lab' positive versus a 'UCI' positive was based on.

If Saugy was 'directed' by the UCI to share info with LA and JB to assist in staying negative, the million dollar question becomes: If Lance was 'protected' why would LA and JB care if a positive result was produced?

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Old 01-10-13, 15:29
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^ Because of the old "I never tested positive" chestnut I guess? Also if it's gonna cost 100 grand to cover up it makes financial sense as well.
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Old 01-10-13, 15:37
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If Saugy was 'directed' by the UCI to share info with LA and JB to assist in staying negative, the million dollar question becomes: If Lance was 'protected' why would LA and JB care if a positive result was produced?
but not all the testing was done by the UCI, was it? So he would still benefit greatly from learning how to prevent an EPO positive.
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