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Old 01-10-13, 18:11
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Id like the truth, and sincere apologies to all the people he owes apologies to.

Would anyone beleive him even if he was trying to be sincere?
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Old 01-10-13, 18:35
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"Everyone was doing it" "Level playing field"
Everyone at the top level was doing it though, you've come up with barely a dozen examples some of whom were competing in the pre EPO era and as you can't 'prove' that they were clean anyway.
Nonsense.

They were at the top level because they were doping. Lance could not even FINISH the Tour until he started using EPO

Did everyone pay Ferrari $1,000,000?
Did everyone have $500,000 to pay off the UCI?
Did everyone have a ignorant national media to ignore the obvious?
Did everyone have positive tests ignored?

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Old 01-10-13, 18:43
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Old 01-10-13, 18:50
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Nonsense.

They were at the top level because they were doping. Lance could not even FINISH the Tour until he started using EPO

Did everyone pay Ferrari $1,000,000?
Did everyone have $500,000 to pay off the UCI?
Did everyone have a ignorant national media to ignore the obvious?
Did everyone have positive tests ignored?
I full agree they were at the top level because of doping but you can't deny that there were vast amounts of professional riders doing a lot of doping. Many many times more were, than weren't.
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Old 01-10-13, 18:53
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But they were at the top level ONLY because they were doing it.

Best of the dopers isn't necessarily the best overall, if they are riding clean. So no level playing field after all.

In any case, someone decided there shouldn't be doping, there are rules, if you break them and get caught you are out. Simple. Lancey-poo wasn't the first and won't be the last to be sanctioned.

Not to mention the aiding and abetting, trafficking, bullying, bribing etc. etc.
Yes I agree with all of what you have said but to give a few examples of clean riders when they were/are hundreds of non clean riders is a bit pointless. Doping isn't only a problem in the very top end of the sport either, it also affects the lower levels and even amateurs.
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Old 01-10-13, 19:17
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Yes I agree with all of what you have said but to give a few examples of clean riders when they were/are hundreds of non clean riders is a bit pointless. Doping isn't only a problem in the very top end of the sport either, it also affects the lower levels and even amateurs.
The idea isn't to ask those who are doping to raise their hands and if they are a majority then it is OK.

You dope, you are cheating. You don't appear to agree but those are the rules and some followed them.

Anyway, you are obviously here to cloud the issue and attempt to justify doping.
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Old 01-10-13, 19:26
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The idea isn't to ask those who are doping to raise their hands and if they are a majority then it is OK.

You dope, you are cheating. You don't appear to agree but those are the rules and some followed them.

Anyway, you are obviously here to cloud the issue and attempt to justify doping.
No not at all, couldn't be further from the truth, deplore doping and cheats. LA cheated the clean riders who didn't make it to the pro ranks and all the other doped pros.
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Would anyone beleive him even if he was trying to be sincere?
How on earth would we know?
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How on earth would we know?
Not that hard really:

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Old 01-10-13, 19:48
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I full agree they were at the top level because of doping but you can't deny that there were vast amounts of professional riders doing a lot of doping. Many many times more were, than weren't.
Nope.....there are hundreds who walked away from the sport when it became clear they would have to dope.

You would be surprised how many riders would prefer not to take transfusions.

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