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View Poll Results: Rank the three GTs
1st Giro, 2nd Tour, 3rd Vuelta 35 39.33%
1st Giro, 2nd Vuelta, 3rd Tour 29 32.58%
1st Tour, 2nd Giro, 3rd Vuelta 7 7.87%
1st Tour, 2nd Vuelta, 3rd Giro 8 8.99%
1st Vuelta, 2nd Giro, 3rd Tour 8 8.99%
1st Vuelta, 2nd Tour, 3rd Giro 2 2.25%
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Well that second stage (Batista - Ajacco) looks like Europcar against the rest of the peloton. Pretty sure Voeckler or anyone else of them will try to do something there. And if it's just that Tommy could secure some first points for the polka dot jersey during that stage.
That second stage could be good since there shouldnt be any major gc gaps going into it so there wont be so many obvious breakaway candidates that can take 15 minutes as the peloton soft pedals.
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Giro route looks good, even the Tour route looks much better then last year.

Vuelta yet again doing MTF overkill an its becoming boring already.
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These are all mighty good mountain stages, and they offer variety, unlike the monotonous MTF after MTF of Giro and Vuelta.
The stage to Bagneres-de-Bigorre isn't exactly mighty good. A 30 km long og not to diffcult descent to the finish line, and it will certainly end with bunch sprint of 15-20 men.

In addition, Preudhomme's view of innovation and adding new elements to the Tour is doing the same climb twice instead of finding new and more unknown climbs like they have done in the Giro and the Vuelta.

The Tour also have a notable lack of hilly stages. The stages are either dead flat or mountainous. The classic like stages you find in the Giro is almost never used in the Tour.
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I vote "none of the above".

The Tour loses points for garbage Corsica stages, a 130km queen stage, double Alpe d'Huez and too many flat stages, but gains some back for not including the Tourmalet.

The Vuelta loses points for MTF overload, for Peyresourde, for too many repeats, for an anæmic Anglirú stage, but gains some back for not having as many flat stages.

The Giro loses points for Galibier, for doing Stelvio two years running, for high mountain stages so short Unipublic would say they needed to be longer, for blatantly pandering when they admitted to trying to lure Wiggins and trying to make the Giro easier so people could try for the Giro-Tour double, and for a hideous use of the second weekend, but gains some back for Tre Cime, and for including a long time trial even if it's badly placed.

All three lose points for having a TTT.

The Giro and Vuelta gain some points for using some new summits and actually showing some of that creativity that Prudhomme so obviously lacks (especially the Vuelta. It must be hard finding a way to make such a stupefyingly flat stage in Asturias), but lose those same points for wasting our time in France by using the same overused climbs the Tour always uses.
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The stage to Bagneres-de-Bigorre isn't exactly mighty good. A 30 km long og not to diffcult descent to the finish line, and it will certainly end with bunch sprint of 15-20 men.
The other mountain stages aren't great either. Pailheres is a great climb, IMO, and I don't care that it's "overused," but they could use it in better ways than the semi-annual Pailheres - Ax-3 borefest.

The Grand Bornand stage ...there's not much to look forward to, as far as GC action is concerned. It's preceded and followed by a stage with a MTF and the stage itself has too much false flat after the Madeleine descent, which doesn't favor breakaways with riders that could shake up GC.
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The other mountain stages aren't great either. Pailheres is a great climb, IMO, and I don't care that it's "overused," but they could use it in better ways than the semi-annual Pailheres - Ax-3 borefest.

The Grand Bornand stage ...there's not much to look forward to, as far as GC action is concerned. It's preceded and followed by a stage with a MTF and the stage itself has too much false flat after the Madeleine descent, which doesn't favor breakaways with riders that could shake up GC.
Pailheres isn't necessarily overused, and I agree that it's a great climb. But are there any other way of using it except doing either Ax3 or Plateau de Beille afterwards?
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The Vuelta loses points for MTF overload, for Peyresourde, for too many repeats, for an anśmic Anglirķ stage, but gains some back for not having as many flat stages.
What is so wrong with the Peuresourde/Peyragudes stage?
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Pailheres isn't necessarily overused, and I agree that it's a great climb. But are there any other way of using it except doing either Ax3 or Plateau de Beille afterwards?
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What is so wrong with the Peuresourde/Peyragudes stage?
We saw the exact same finish in the Tour last year!
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Old 01-16-13, 12:42
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Giro-Vuelta-Tour

The Giro has everything, long TT, hilly stages, couple of sprint stages and some hard mountain stages. Looks promising.

Vuelta with a MTF overload again. It makes sense after last year and I really enjoyed all the fireworks so hopefully something like that again this year.

The Tour has a slightly better route than last year but still doesn't make much sense. Too many sprint stages and lack of hard, hilly stages. And the decisive mountain stages are not that good designed, especially the Grand Bornand and Semnoz stages.
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