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Old 01-16-13, 11:04
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Are you wondering about legal or financial accountability?
Or maybe some moral accountability?
There is some, indirect perhaps, financial impact. It's not so easy to save a brand that is wrapped around a sinking rock. I've spoken to a number of folks in the bike industry in the US and they uniformly report an unprecedented decline in sales over the last 4 months. These are Trek and other higher end retailers. The public is fickle.
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Old 01-16-13, 13:47
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What about Trek and Oakley who were more than happy to hitch their wagons to the Wonderboy gravy train, certainly they have to have some accountability as well?
Indeed- and BTW should we look into AMGEN as well? Thom Weisel was linked to them & apparently the company benefited "indirectly" from the LA association to promote their "products" through the LA's foundation...

oh dear... the real dirty is about to appear
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Old 01-16-13, 14:08
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Explain to me what takes USAC's place. USA Cycling has a government granted monopoly to eliminate alternative federations and operate the USACDF slush fund with impunity. The USAC members haven't cared for the last 20 years, so what will happen now to change it?

Unless you are in Oregon, there's a vast and uncoordinated number of races through some alternative cycling federations in the U.S. If Wiesel and his personal assistant Johnson have anything to say about it, OBRA would be gone too. Just like the ACA in Colorado.

Hopefully, there is a major law enforcement effort to follow that gets everyone at CSE/Tailwind in serious trouble. Best case scenario is Wiesel gets felony prison time for something and will be running the federation from jail. It's exactly that bad.
You know, Lance could actually rehabilitate some portion of his rep with me if he actually brought Weisel, McQuaid, and Verbruggen down. It seems apparent to me that the replacement system would have to be more open and responsive. Or at least, we can hope so. As recent world history makes apparent, creating real change is very very hard - the inertia of the old system means you just get new faces on the old system.
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Old 01-16-13, 14:59
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Many sources. Here's one over a year old just so you don't think it's a "fanboy fantasy" in wake of the recent earth shattering events that has upped the circle jerk club membership by around 25%. Pretty disappointing numbers considering how hard all the anonymous sources worked to pimp ole Oprah.

http://www.denverpost.com/outdoors/ci_17102119
The numbers are indeed "Fanboy Fantasy"

http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/consumer/a/uspslance.htm

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According to a February 2003 USPS Inspector General (OIG) report, the objective of the sponsorship was to "increase revenue and sales of Postal Service's products on a global basis and to increase sales in key international markets" with a specific monetary goal of increasing [annual international] revenue by $20 million. However, despite the cycling team's outstanding performance and extremely high profile, revenues from USPS international operations in 2003 were actually $12.8 million less than four- years earlier in 1999.

Calling USPS's decision a "major victory for consumers," PostalWatch executive director Rick Merritt stated in a press release, "Talk about a government boondoggle, the pro-cycling sponsorship exemplifies just how delusional postal leadership can be. They raised domestic monopoly rates three times while forcing captive ratepayers to pay more than $50 million to sponsor a European sporting event and then, adding insult to injury, they achieved a negative result."
The USPS brand is forever associated with fraud, cheating, and organized doping......exactly what the USPS wanted to avoid
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I love the way these apologists can throw "facts" around by quoting Lance or his lawyer. Thank god we have sharp people around like Race Radio to unearth the true facts.

I think there's a lot more to come of all of this in US cycling, Australian cycling and, if Sky is continuing the practice of "professional preparations", UK cycling. I'm still concerned that this will all stop at the riders (and possibly the odd DS or manager) and not get to the real problem - the guys holding the puppet strings.
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Old 01-16-13, 17:46
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So USPS lost international customers during the Lance TDF years? That is interesting. Maybe folks outside the US found it...improbable when the entire USPS team rode on the front day after day. Seriously, hard to explain the decline unless it is directly a negative reaction from the massive TDF coverage.

And now, forever, USPS is associated with massive fraud. They did contract to avoid that.
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So USPS lost international customers during the Lance TDF years? That is interesting. Maybe folks outside the US found it...improbable when the entire USPS team rode on the front day after day. Seriously, hard to explain the decline unless it is directly a negative reaction from the massive TDF coverage.

And now, forever, USPS is associated with massive fraud. They did contract to avoid that.
The idea of postal workers on drugs scared potential customers.
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Old 01-16-13, 18:15
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article on those caught in the lance web.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/admiss...110302555.html
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“I never had one discussion with one coach or one rider about doping,” he said. “And to my knowledge, the guys that were running my program – Mark Gorski (Postal general manager) and (operations director) Dan Osipow – they did not either.”

“People say ‘Jesus, you had to know this was going on because everyone was doing it,’” Weisel said. “That’s not true. I never thought it was. I don’t think many cycling teams were deploying that practice. And we certainly had part of our rider contract where if a person tested positive, they were off the team. We were very explicit there.”

http://m.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisc...of.html?r=full
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[I]“I never had one discussion with one coach or one rider about doping,”
Discussions about Edgar Allen Poe don't count? Lie to the press all you like, just like Wonderboy. Why not? No penalty for it.

The allegations have followed that guy around since his early efforts at domestic teams. I know, I know, "no proof." Well perhaps a massage therapist can contribute some eyewitness testimony. If anyone is reading this from the really early days, now is the time to contact USADA.
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