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Bye bye Liestrong!

Good news for legitimate charities.
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"Confession" of Lance may be linked with Livestrong financial problem, explaining why he has apology. I have read elsewhere that a SOL could have expired a bit later, so Lance could have wait but the whole ship could have sunk in the meantime.
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Totally. That, and I suspect he will portray himself as just a manipulated soldier that became caught up in the whole scheme. A scheme, he'll alledge; that he now regretfully admits was wrong. "Those bad men made me do it".
I'm waiting for the religion card...it's the only one not played at this point.
Is he stupid enough to portray himself as just a rider? If he was he would cooperate fully with USADA like al the other riders!

People have woken up to who the OneBalledWonder really is and they are not buying the myth anymore.

OBW does not do religion. I doubt he could personally stomach the kind of person who would believe him!
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"Confession" of Lance may be linked with Livestrong financial problem, explaining why he has apology. I have read elsewhere that a SOL could have expired a bit later, so Lance could have wait but the whole ship could have sunk in the meantime.
Maybe, but I'm seeing in the media that Oprah said he wouldn't answer why he was confessing now. Makes me think he's doing it to impact public perceptions before the public learns of one or more criminal investigations. Get in front of the bad news and all that PR stuff. Tyler's book, other sources out since the criminal investigation was paused in February, talk about movements of drugs and cash that appear to raise some serious money laundering issues. Multiple countries might care about that.
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OBW does not do religion. I doubt he could personally stomach the kind of person who would believe him!
By all appearances he had more than just indifference for his fans anyway. Which is different than "having fans" somehow satisfying him.

I'm calling the religion card being played if this tactic does not get the results he wants. There's no end of his kind of sociopathy disguised as quasi-religious practice. All the crazy parts are there.

That stadium deal was kind of crazy-backwards anyway. Apparently, no money up front, but a portion of stadium revenues went to "cancer awareness." No mention ever of how much was funnelled to for-profit vs. non-profit but I think it's reasonable to believe if there was revenue, it was being split.
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I wonder if Livestrong will be around in 3 to 5 years.

I'd like to think that any cancer charity built upon the foundation of a person's narrative of a superhuman fight, against all odds, to beat cancer and thrive afterwards as a narrative exposed as a large, rank, steaming pile of elephant herd-like proportions of dung will take a rather huge credibility hit.

Plus, once some intrepid reporter starts to really scratch beneath the surface of what Livestrong really does and what value it provides - it strikes me as a kind of yellow pages for 'awareness' - then I'm probably sure the wealthy patrons that used to support its cause will find Livestrong largely wanting.

It has a staff of 100. Are that many people needed to bring the rather quotidian message of 'awareness' to the masses?

Nothing really seemed kosher about Lance to me. Livestrong feels about the same, especially since it was fragmented into the .org and .com branches.
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I wonder if Livestrong will be around in 3 to 5 years.

I'd like to think that any cancer charity built upon the foundation of a person's narrative of a superhuman fight, against all odds, to beat cancer and thrive afterwards as a narrative exposed as a large, rank, steaming pile of elephant herd-like proportions of dung will take a rather huge credibility hit.

Plus, once some intrepid reporter starts to really scratch beneath the surface of what Livestrong really does and what value it provides - it strikes me as a kind of yellow pages for 'awareness' - then I'm probably sure the wealthy patrons that used to support its cause will find Livestrong largely wanting.

It has a staff of 100. Are that many people needed to bring the rather quotidian message of 'awareness' to the masses?

Nothing really seemed kosher about Lance to me. Livestrong feels about the same, especially since it was fragmented into the .org and .com branches.
Still plenty of who cares, he did a lot for charity mindset....only exposing the real Liestrong will get rid of that
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Still plenty of who cares, he did a lot for charity mindset....only exposing the real Liestrong will get rid of that
and if someone could query why he got cancer in the first place...i.e. PED's caused his cancer. Now that would really seal his place in the mud.
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what Livestrong really does and what value it provides -

I cannot speak for Livestrong.
It was not an option for us because of where and when cancer struck.

But I can speak for the need.

When cancer struck my close family, you discover that beyond the pure medical assessments there is a vaccuum of someone to discuss with, advise on a myriad of related issue on how to live and cope with the disease. Sometimes just someone to listen who knows cancer but is outside your problem is enough.

But the medical establishment is like a conveyor. Nobody really discusses or has time to discuss the broader issues with you, or whether the medical opinion you are given (railroaded in most cases) is the only option or the best option. You have a total feeling of being alone. It takes you in and spits you out with the next instruction on when to come next time.

If you read many still supporters of Livestrong it is clear that that fundamentally is what Livestrong did for them. It was there at the end of a telephone to answer teh 1000 questions on the periphery, and in many cases just listen. That is sorely needed. We would have loved to have had such a resource when cancer struck in our family - just to feel less alone is enough with someone who understands the disease and gives hope and advice.

Of course - I cannot speak for how well they deliver that as a service, or whether the output justifies the cost, but it is wrong to assume that it needs to be involved in (say) medical research to be of any value. Just helping you feel less alone - helping you feel you are part of an army fighting the dreadful disease -putting you in touch with people who have already won the battle you are trying to win - and being a source of advice on options and how to live with the disease is enough to be well worthwhile for cancer sufferers.

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