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Old 01-16-13, 23:03
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Better to look at the well performed research which shows that changes to pedalling technique have no significant effect on performance.

Yes they do, changing from mashing to circular results in less power output. But that is the wrong way to look at it. There is an ideal time or place for using a different style, even Fernandez-Pena agrees with that. Switching to circular pedalling in road races can rest the quads for more important work later on in the race. But Fernandez-Pina like the rest is not aware of that all important completely different TT semi-circular style.
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No. the 9 months of exclusive use thing is simply what we say is necessary for our average new user to see, on average, about a 40% increase in power.
But you have no data to show this is the case.

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I suspect that Pinotti is using them in a manner that he feels is best for him in his situation. Did he also blog why he continues to use them despite your protestations that the device is useless???????
A lot of people think they need to adopt a circular pedalling method despite the ever growing volume of research that you don't.

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Show me one negative PowerCranks study that actually documented that the PC group actually had enough time with the product to change pedaling technique. We have been through this before. I will stop now.
Bohm and Fernandez-Pena studies both showed that occurred within the six week period study was carried out over.
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Old 01-17-13, 00:05
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Yes they do, changing from mashing to circular results in less power output. But that is the wrong way to look at it. There is an ideal time or place for using a different style, even Fernandez-Pena agrees with that. Switching to circular pedalling in road races can rest the quads for more important work later on in the race. But Fernandez-Pina like the rest is not aware of that all important completely different TT semi-circular style.
Outstanding.

Or you could just not pedal as hard to save the quads for later in the race like most people do by using effective drafting, pacing or downhill sections.
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No. the 9 months of exclusive use thing is simply what we say is necessary for our average new user to see, on average, about a 40% increase in power.


Result of research done by Fernandez-Pena is in agreement with the findings of Phil Holman, which is that PC pedalling reduces power in the downstroke. I would estimate this loss to be about 10%. This means for a PC'er to gain that 40% increase in power output, he would have to apply 50% of downstroke power as pedal moves across the bottom, up and over the top. Is that possible even with the use of bungee cord resistance training.
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Result of research done by Fernandez-Pena is in agreement with the findings of Phil Holman, which is that PC pedalling reduces power in the downstroke. I would estimate this loss to be about 10%. This means for a PC'er to gain that 40% increase in power output, he would have to apply 50% of downstroke power as pedal moves across the bottom, up and over the top. Is that possible even with the use of bungee cord resistance training.
Findings of Phil Holman??? BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. You mean self-observations of a rider. I suppose that is better than some crackpot theory based on an video observation of a rider from the Fifties

That is almost as dumb as Frank claiming Phil's 2mph increase in speed over a season as evidence of the efficacy of Gimmickcranks. We see far greater improvements in Pursuit speed over a season than that anyway. Usually down to training progression, improvement in weather, bringing out better equipment and mostly because riders peak and bring their A game for the Championship events at the end of the season.
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Old 01-18-13, 23:28
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Usually down to bringing out better equipment
It's still true, there is one born every minute. Using commonsense and a serious look at technique can guarantee a 50-70% increase in the power of each pedal stroke without increasing peak torque. That's what you call smooth pedalling. Maybe you, being the physiological and chemistry expert can tell us what percentage power gain does a tt rider get from the ideal dose of EPO.
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It's still true, there is one born every minute. Using commonsense and a serious look at technique can guarantee a 50-70% increase in the power of each pedal stroke without increasing peak torque. That's what you call smooth pedalling.
Ha ha, "guarantee a 50-70% increase". Starting to sound like Frank, just toss out made up numbers and a few casual anecdotes.

Both pathetic.
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Ha ha, "guarantee a 50-70% increase". Starting to sound like Frank, just toss out made up numbers and a few casual anecdotes.

Both pathetic.
But Fergie, if only - I could be the first paracycling masters age (totally clean) winner of the TdF!!
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Old 01-19-13, 12:22
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But Fergie, if only - I could be the first paracycling masters age (totally clean) winner of the TdF!!


You may be a paracyclist but as things stand, there is no difference in the pedalling ability of you and CoachFergie in time trials, you are missing the muscles of a lower leg and ankle, but while CoachFergie is fully equipped, his serious problem is, like all other cyclists he does not know how to use his lower leg muscles and ankles.
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Old 01-19-13, 19:29
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Think I will stick to the theories that have some actual data to support them than Gimmickcrank Marketing or some nut-bar that no one believes.

Look what happened to the last guy who asked us to believe in his extra-ordinary performances
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