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Old 01-17-13, 22:24
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I think he would find more success at the classics as they wouldn't jeopardize his Tour preparation, but part of me would really like to see him showing Wiggins what it's like when your going up against a real climber in a GT that actually has some mountains.

I would love to have seen Wiggins face when he saw that Contador was considering doing the Giro.
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100% is an absolutely fictious thing. A rider can evaluate it wrong. What about us...
So you arguing that those that state Contador was less than 100% are wrong is pretty pointless and without foundation since you can be no more certain that he was 100% than them saying that he wasn't.

I know you dispute the belief that his preparation was less than ideal due to his lack of racing miles but no less than Sean Kelly states in one of the cycling mags (he has a column) that he was amazed that Contador could compete at the level he did considering the circumstances.
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So you arguing that those that state Contador was less than 100% are wrong is pretty pointless and without foundation since you can be no more certain that he was 100% than them saying that he wasn't.

I know you dispute the belief that his preparation was less than ideal due to his lack of racing miles but no less than Sean Kelly states in one of the cycling mags (he has a column) that he was amazed that Contador could compete at the level he did considering the circumstances.
pfff sean kelly, what does he know compared to the airstreams and cineteqs of this world
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pfff sean kelly, what does he know compared to the airstreams and cineteqs of this world
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I don't think that's accurate, but if you can find the posting kudos to you.
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Zoncolan stage.

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Nibali was brilliant, the best rider today. I wouldn't be surprise if Contador has a bad day tomorrow. He was close to being in red, and you don't see that often.
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You should watch the races more closely, it will be Nibali's stage tomorrow. Mark my words!
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Contador should stay the **** away from the Giro. Not interested in a borefest with a decided GC.
It would be more like 2008.
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pfff sean kelly, what does he know compared to the airstreams and cineteqs of this world
Airstreams' palmares must put Kelly's to shame considering his implied depth of vast knowledge.
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Contador should stay the **** away from the Giro. Not interested in a borefest with a decided GC.
No no pay attention. He won't peak for il Giro so the GC battle might even be more interesting. You are of course just scared that Gesink won't win
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So you arguing that those that state Contador was less than 100% are wrong is pretty pointless and without foundation since you can be no more certain that he was 100% than them saying that he wasn't.

I know you dispute the belief that his preparation was less than ideal due to his lack of racing miles but no less than Sean Kelly states in one of the cycling mags (he has a column) that he was amazed that Contador could compete at the level he did considering the circumstances.
I'm not about the Vuelta, it is just about a general approach. Whatever happens you are eager to find justifications. If he could drop others in the Vuelta, you are not very likely to remind that suspension too much. But now you do just because of blind jealosy. Your rider couldn't confirm his global (to your mind) edge, so you find it not normal and think about excuses. Because part of you (Contador fans) percieve a real competition absolutely inadequately. To you, there are only 2 possible options:
- contador drops everyone (a norm, a real state of things, matter of course);
- contador can not drop --> something is wrong, an off-form etc.

That simple scheme is the only thing you base on to judge whether he is on on form or not. It's... i don't know. It's unhealthy. Unhealthy autotraining. you do not set a norm, and the 2009 Tour is not a norm. That was just one separate race. Only life is able to set a norm itself.

In fact, your logic is minimally different compared to Lance's one. Though part of you HATE him a lot. It's unbelievable. I don't say for all, but say Carols and Maxiton dislike Armstrong hugely.

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But now you do just because of blind jealosy. Your rider couldn't confirm his global (to your mind) edge, so you find it not normal and think about excuses. Because part of you (Contador fans) percieve a real competition absolutely inadequately. To you, there are only 2 possible options:
- contador drops everyone (a norm, a real state of things, matter of course);
- contador can not drop --> something is wrong, an off-form etc.
I understand where you are coming from and your logic. But to be frank, there is no way around the fact that regarding the 2011 Tour and the 2012 Vuelta Contador was not optimally prepared. Thats just a fact cant cant be disputed.

However, in the 2007 Tour (where he got dropped by Rasmussen) and the 2010 Tour (where he coulnt drop Andy and even got dropped by Andy once I do agree with you, that that was not due to bad preparation.

Contador is a brilliant cyclist, but he is not a super human, luckily, and its not a law of nature that he will always drop the rest when he is 100% (though emperical data suggests that this is often the case). But regarding the 2011 Tour and the 2012 Vuelta his subpar performance can very well be explained by suboptimal preparation conditions.
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