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Old 01-22-13, 18:42
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and gianetti, lance, ugrumov etc etc etc

and I"m not saying it's save but some doping and injectiosn are definitely more healthier than riding cleanly. any docter I've heard about this agrees on that.
Wait, didn't one of those guys have a few health issues? I'm sure I remember reading about one of them having cancer.
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I thought it was well known that EPO could lead to serious health issues
just as drinking milk has...
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@Caruut Yes, I agree, but the post of mine you quote was asking about deaths Hroths linked to occurring in the last ten years.
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and I"m not saying it's save but some doping and injectiosn are definitely more healthier than riding cleanly. any docter I've heard about this agrees on that.
Find me a quote from a doctor without a vested interest in people believing that doping is morally acceptable and I might stop thinking you're being ridiculous. Quoting a Fuentes, a Ferrari or anyone else involved in cycling is pointless because it proves nothing - of course those doctors involved with doping want us to believe they are saints and not corrupt, manipulative ****ers.
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@Caruut Yes, I agree, but the post of mine you quote was asking about deaths Hroths linked to occurring in the last ten years.
Ah yes, my bad. I think the 50% rule and subsequent testing have certainly reduced the danger, at least in the short term.
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just as drinking milk has...
Yes, of course. Eating has killed people, just like shooting people has, so the only logical conclusion is to either ban both or ban neither.
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EPO's danger should be discussed in an EPO thread.

When is Brailsford doing his Manchester Q&A session? He threatened to answer all our questions then, but it's the start of the season and we've had nada.

Not a single thing.
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Leinders is sketchy, but how exactly is the situation at Sky an outlier? There's dodgy DS's like Riis with riders like Contador, and even the 'reformed' teams like Garmin have Lim, who has been implicated by Floyd and Levi, worked with Armstrong on 'hydration.'

If links to personnel with sketchy pasts is enough for guilt, the entire cycling world would be guilty.
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Old 01-22-13, 19:22
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EPO's danger should be discussed in an EPO thread.

When is Brailsford doing his Manchester Q&A session? He threatened to answer all our questions then, but it's the start of the season and we've had nada.

Not a single thing.
There should be opportunity made by SKY as they love being transparent. So many questions...(that alone could start a thread!)
I am curious to why there's a lack of questions asked by the press. The Geert Leindeers thing is an absolute joke.
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Old 01-22-13, 19:23
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Leinders is sketchy, but how exactly is the situation at Sky an outlier? There's dodgy DS's like Riis with riders like Contador, and even the 'reformed' teams like Garmin have Lim, who has been implicated by Floyd and Levi, worked with Armstrong on 'hydration.'

If links to personnel with sketchy pasts is enough for guilt, the entire cycling world would be guilty.
Riis doped alone. He acted alone.

Leinders injected EPO into young cyclists blood streams using the privilege of being a Doctor.

Sketchy? Dekker was 21. A young man and was “influenced” by a medical practitioner by injecting EPO into his blood stream along with other harmful products.

That's sick.
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