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Where did you hear this story? From some buddy?

Without checking google,,,,question for you... what is the Round that the M16 fires?
This is the sum of my knowledge on this subject:

http://youtu.be/NQnOL_T6rc0
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This is the sum of my knowledge on this subject:

http://youtu.be/NQnOL_T6rc0
Sorry Hugh I can't see the tube here at the office. What is on the video?

How is that "little bike shop" ? Doing?
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You who aspire to social utopia
We're not the ones aspiring to social utopia, dude. That would be your folks.

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“Imagine living in a community where you know that residing in every single home in the neighborhood are people who think much as do you, respect most of the values as do you, and will not try to force any of their values on you or your children,” another post from October on The Citadel’s blog, this one written by someone with the pseudonym Just a III Guy, reads. “Imagine living in a neighborhood where you know every single neighbor on your street, in your neighborhood, and in the entire town, has qualified Riflemen inside, ready to come to your aid at a moments notice, whether to help you change a tire, fix a problem, or cover your back in a firefight with an Enemy of Liberty....Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles,” the project’s website states.
The social utopians you so fear are far more prevalent on the right than on the left.
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Sorry Hugh I can't see the tube here at the office. What is on the video?

How is that "little bike shop" ? Doing?
Gang of Four "ArmaLite Rifle" punk music from the late 70's

Little Bike Shop is doing fine.
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We're not the ones aspiring to social utopia, dude. That would be your folks.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem....php?ref=fpblg

The social utopians you so fear are far more prevalent on the right than on the left.
If he fears those guys he's got more smarts than I give him credit for.
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Gang of Four "ArmaLite Rifle" punk music from the late 70's

Little Bike Shop is doing fine.
I am familiar with that punk rock stuff. I came along a little late with the early Red Hot Chilly Peppers....

Glad to read that the little bike shop is doing fine.
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They had me at Riflemen.....
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btw, what out-of-control government spending?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...ing_surge.html

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People are very interested in partisan politics. Political partisans are very interested in the presidency. The president is an important player in federal budget debates. And thus people are very interested in questions about federal government spending "under Obama." But the national economy doesn't care about why money gets spent or which level of government spends it.

And taken as a whole, consolidated government spending—federal, state, and local—simply hasn't surged. You can take the beginning of the recession or the beginning of the Obama administration or whatever you like as your starting point and it still hasn't happened. Spending continued on essentially the previous trend throughout the official NBER business cycle dates, and then flattened out in a nearly unprecedented way once the economy began.

If you believe that restraining government spending should supercharge private sector economic activity, then you ought to know that since 2010 we've been living through a nearly unprecedented level of public sector spending restraint. Counterfactuals are, of course, hard. Perhaps private sector growth would have been even weaker had public sector spending risen at a more normal level. But an unusually low level of spending growth isn't a policy we might try in the future, it's a policy that we're trying right now and have been trying for the past few years.
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5 killed by a kid with the family guns in NM two days ago, another multiple shooting at Lone Star College in Texas today.

Wonder why they don't just use hammers? Be just as effective.
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There has been much interesting commentary of late, which has led me to some further considerations:

As per Scott's mocking attitude to the viability of any utopian designs, of course he totally misses the point that the very US democracy was itself a somewhat rationalist attempt to formalize a progressive XVIII century fantasy with singular clarity, and within the patriarchal megalomania of a largely elite masonic fraternity. Secondly, what he hasn't considered is that the issue at this point has in fact nothing to do with utopian schemes, but working out reasoned methods to at least mitigate (since it evidently can't totally be done away with) the dystopian society that modern neoliberal, free-market capitalism has produced.

On that note I rather was intrigued by the conceptual position which Merckx index has articulated over the real nature of the guns issue, and which has shifted the usual orientation of the debate: namely, as one transcending problems merely connected to the realm of "individual rights," or actual gun ownership as it stands; to projections about what form of society are we today trying to build for the future. Is it one in which everybody is armed, or one in which most people aren't? The former denotes a de facto non-progressive viewpoint, heavily shaped by all the market determinants, that sees the perpetuation ad infinitum of a colonial-frontier attitude, as the exclusive means of maintaining a romanticized (and antiquated) notion of American individual freedom and private rights. Whereas the later is bound to an outlook which views history as a continuous process of social evolution, in which personal liberty must always be updated and readapted to the forces of modernity and based upon the interests of collective wellbeing. It goes without saying that such diametrically opposed positions are irreconcilable, which accounts for the polarized and highly antagonistic atmosphere that's pervasive throughout the national communities.

Lastly in regards to the notion of neo-conservatism, well, as Aphro has aptly explained it, the phenomenon is partly bound, in a reactionary sense (which all conservatisms are at their basis, reactionary) to the Great Society policies of Johnson and Carter's inclusive strategies, under the aegis of Reagan's liberal economy and the corporate welfare this sanctified. At the same time there has been a so called "moral" issue at stake, which was initially meant to castigate the upsetting 60's social-sexual revolution, as well as act as a buffer to the more radical demands of civil rights. Within this volatile crucible we can easily comprehend the republican party's wholesale embracement of the conservative religious right in America during the 80's, since as voters they shared elective affinities with the general tenants of neoconservatives, irrespective of one's actual religiosity.

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