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Old 01-22-13, 21:53
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To be fair, I must exlclude you in that sence, but really, analyzie this topic trully and you will see the nationalism all over it.

At least some British guys are seeing 'the light', cheers for them.

And, to be fair, I can understand the nationalism, haven't had it myself luckily, never cheer/cheered for Dutch riders because they ARE Dutch [fukk Boogerd/Dekker etc etc] biut I do feel a certain trend in this topic, mostly by British acting posters.

I might be mistaken but I am pretty damn sure I am right on this one.

And it is annoying, I guess everyone would like to know the next holy grail in cycling that sky has 'invented'. With that silly attitude of 'Brits do not dope' we will not get to the bottom.
I appreciate your civil reply.

The frustration lies in reading some really excellent posts by yourself and then like the one above. I also think the 'Brits do not dope' crowd are in the minority though you are right and there are some out there.
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Old 01-22-13, 21:55
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Then surely that person would be publicly removed, and BC would have nothing more to do with them.
This isn't party politics. You don't just fire someone for making a mistake. You might not trust him with recruitment again, but if you fired him you'll find yourself in an employment tribunal very quickly.
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Old 01-22-13, 22:16
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So you believe Contador is clean?

Oh and it is a bit more suspicious if the team not only has the doping doctor but is taking credit for having a "strict anti doping policy". If the team claims "transparecy" yet refuses to answer questions on this.

Its also more suspicious if the head rider once said that teams with doctors like lienders on them should not be allowed at the tour. now seems ok with having doctors like that at the tour providing he gets one too.
With Contador, there's a trail of evidence since day 1 of his career. With Leinders and Sky, it's a matter of speculation. By all means be suspicious, but there's no smoking gun here.
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Old 01-22-13, 22:19
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This isn't party politics. You don't just fire someone for making a mistake. You might not trust him with recruitment again, but if you fired him you'll find yourself in an employment tribunal very quickly.
To be brought in front of an employment tribunal you would have to be an employee.
Like almost everyone on TSky/BC Peters is a contractor, and still retained.
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Old 01-22-13, 22:22
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This topic is getting just insane. The more and the more dirt that comes of the clean team sky, the more the apologists from Britain come in and troll. FFS, they have never seen a clean cycling race in their lives. Please, get them back where they belong: at the track.


What I learnt today;

* Young men make a choice. When a Doctor of their employer “influences” them to dope and injects them with EPO it’s the cyclists fault. Because they made a choice.

* When a team Doctor masterminds a sophisticated team-wide doping program for 9-years which includes EPO, blood transfusions and HGH he is instantly reformed if he joins another team shortly after this 9 year Frankenstein period.

* The Doctor also becomes a specialist in saddle sores when he spent the majority of his career injecting EPO into young men.

* Also if the Doctor doesn’t appear at races is because he is offering “consultancy” on saddle sores and heat and not what defined his career - doping.

* Despite cycling having a 20+ year history of doping, just because one team hires a notorious doping doctor it doesn’t mean they are doping. Even when they completely dominate an entire season from start to finish it just means they’re clean because doping stopped in 2006 (according to Lance).
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Old 01-22-13, 22:23
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No. I don't see how the ex-rabo guys could have been unaware of what he was doing at rabo, and they in turn could not have shared this with their sky teammates, at which point he should have been sacked immediately.
Not sure your wording is quite right, but I think you are saying the Rabo boys would have told other team mates?

Problem is, to tell anyone means they then face the same sacking; the have to fall on their sword, to slay the evil Doctor Leinders.

That's the big fail with this zero policy lark. Instead of destroying Omerta, it actually enforces it.
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Old 01-22-13, 22:25
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You can pursue a claim through an employment tribunal as a contractor. At least in the UK. Although it doesn't need to come to that of course.
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Old 01-22-13, 22:26
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With Contador, there's a trail of evidence since day 1 of his career. With Leinders and Sky, it's a matter of speculation. By all means be suspicious, but there's no smoking gun here.
As suspiciousness goes, Leinders in Sky has far more potential than Yates and Sutton. And more again than people claiming that their perception of Sky's excellent team work in the Tour was definitive proof of doping. At least all that crap seems to have died down.

I'm all in favour of Sky being pressed for clarification on Leinders role at Sky. What I don't get is how you will be able to distinguish whether they are telling the truth or not. Doping or not doping, the answers they give will be the same.
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Old 01-22-13, 22:29
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To be brought in front of an employment tribunal you would have to be an employee.
Like almost everyone on TSky/BC Peters is a contractor, and still retained.
So it's breach of contract instead then. And hasn't Steve Peters moved to athletics as his main role with a side line in football? Publically sacking him for one mistake would be a real scumbag way to treat someone after a decade of good service, don't you think.
Or do you want him tarred and feathered for making a wrong descision. If you're an employer you must be a nightmare to work for, with staff unable to operate for fear.

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Old 01-22-13, 22:31
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Not sure your wording is quite right, but I think you are saying the Rabo boys would have told other team mates?

Problem is, to tell anyone means they then face the same sacking; the have to fall on their sword, to slay the evil Doctor Leinders.

That's the big fail with this zero policy lark. Instead of destroying Omerta, it actually enforces it.
Quite. I made the same point yesterday and because of that it is not a given that Sky knew of Leinders involvement in doping.

I dont believe for a second that in the current climate riders go about shouting about what drugs they've done on other teams.
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