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Old 01-22-13, 22:45
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Me also!!!! Geez I loved that little Il Pirata.......
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Hope the guy has done his reasarches. It's a very complex character to portrait.
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Ricco? well the copy is never better than the original, Ricco wanted to be il pirata so much even his pedaling style and carried (according to RAI Italia)a photo of Pantani when he raced, he had nor the charisma nor the talent Marco had.
Ricco was a character and he animated the races.
But his career was to short to achieve a lot. Quite sad, really.
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Old 01-23-13, 21:07
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Late entry, sorry! Just watch some of his races and you have the answer!!! Was he doped? Can't say that... Was amazing? YYYEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!! Miss him!!
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Old 01-23-13, 21:08
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Hope the guy has done his reasarches. It's a very complex character to portrait.
his big italian tv interview of summer 99, shows him best imo.
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Old 01-23-13, 21:56
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bartali even prevented civil war by winning the tour in 48!

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apart from the italian sports mentality pantani was the exact opposite of the posterboy you describe.
the posterboy of the epo-era was the 90kg sprinter who couldn't get his fat *** over the kemmelberg in 1992 and in 1993 suddenly rode along with the best on the tourmalet. preferably on a 54*12 or something like that. no attacking, just putting in power.

pantani was one of a few old style climbers who dared the powerhouses by attacking every time the road went up. the old fashioned pinches every km that eventually got everybody on their back.
that and his personality is why people love him.
the almost religious adoration is italy at it's finest. from the moment they stole the '99 giro from him, he (and the italian media) portrayed him(self) as a martyr. the one that had to take the fall for an entire generation because the public wanted to see heads roll after the festina-debacle. He was the best climber of his generation (auto godlike status in italy), he was a nice but mentally weak guy and 'they' exploited and killed him.
This is a very accurate assessment of his legacy in Italy, down to the martyrdom. I recall some years ago that an Italian cycling friend once told me that most didn’t follow the sport, like calcio, but everybody watched Pantani, because he epitomized their sense of living beyond the dreams of the tragic. How much that would prove to be a prophesy. In addition he was both an assassin and an artist, which played right into the Italian love of drama, like opera, and their sense of the aesthetic.

He simply transcended the sport in Italy, arriving as he did at a mystical level that only the likes of Catholic saints could produce.

On that note it wasn't what he did, it was the way he did it. It seemed miraculous, elevating the soul to a level beyond mere mortals, albeit in the form of a misanthropic and improbable persona at the sanctuary of national pride - which, of course, the Italians revere more than anything else.

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late entry, sorry! Just watch some of his races and you have the answer!!! Was he doped? Can't say that... Was amazing? Yyyeeeessssssss!!!!! Miss him!!
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Well said. But I wouldn't agree in you saying he was not a pure climber. At end of the day climbing is about maintained power to weight rather than power to wind resistance. To set those L'Alpe d'Huez times he was generating some pretty impressive power - even for 57kg. That power was still handy come TT time. I recall 420 watts being mentioned for Pantani, if so that's 7.4 watts / kg
Makes you realize that he was simply a ****ing strong cyclist.
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Old 01-23-13, 23:19
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I am not Italian knowing very little about his "story", so it may be the reason I have no special interest in him (and his legacy). Just in a sense like Armstrong was cheater wit 7 TdF titles, while Il Pirata only one Giro title. But can understand for many he can represent the Rebel without a cause.
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As to the original inquiry, this should give some indication as to why...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FVOHIaxgro
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