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Old 01-23-13, 13:17
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Yeah, "nothing, or same as Jaksche". Maybe they were deemed to be too young so they thought they could still wait and mature a bit before getting on the program for the Tour, since it wouldn't be one of their goals and they'd be there just to gain experience.

For Jaksche, it says "always I-2 - 0.10-0.15 - he already knows - 6th". Whatever that means.
I-2 is insulin apparently. Never knew they used that to dope. Must be quite dangerous if improperly used.
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Old 01-23-13, 13:19
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Whoa, I thought internet servers with these scans broke down because of after so many years, but we have some memories.

Hrotha, what is written near Alan Davis? Seemingly Contador used some standart set if there was no clarification. Though it is obviously was one of the most harmless Ufe's documents. The rest were never available for press.
Alan Davis - "this one has a separate program, according to his objectives"

Presumably because he was a sprinter and wasn't expected to help in the mountains, so the Tour didn't require him to follow a special preparation compared to the rest of the season.
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Old 01-23-13, 13:24
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I-2 is insulin apparently. Never knew they used that to dope. Must be quite dangerous if improperly used.
Also, apparently:
HM = HMG-Lepori (a kind of gonadotrophin)
TGN = Trigon Depot (a corticosteroid)
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I-2 is insulin apparently. Never knew they used that to dope. Must be quite dangerous if improperly used.
Pantani was a big fan of insulin.
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Was it? I've never seen it and saw it flying past so I thought I would post it.
Yeah.
The old same as or nothing for Bertie fax has been around since 2006.
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Yeah, it was, but it's a good thing you posted it, since many people haven't seen it. It's always been buried under a pile of other documents, and you had to dive into the primary sources to find it. I'm puzzled about the journos apparently not knowing this, though.
A lot of stories surfacing right now, also wrt Dutch cycling, aren't really news in the true sense (e.g. PDM), even though the press is jumping on the stories like a pack of hungry wolves. Clearly, doping talk is en vogue like it was never before.
Suddenly we see what investigative journalism is capable of. If there is a will, there is a way. The dam really seems to have broken, though it's still too early to cheer. Let's hope the snowball rolls into soccer and tennis a.s.a.p.

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Fax from Fuentes to doctor of Liberty Seguros, during Tour of 2005.
so everyone got dope except contador...?
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Pantani was a big fan of insulin.
source??


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A lot of stories surfacing right now, also wrt Dutch cycling, aren't really news in the true sense (e.g. PDM), even though the press is jumping on the stories like a pack of hungry wolves. Clearly, doping talk is en vogue like it was never before. The dam really seems to have broken. Let's hope the snowball rolls into soccer and tennis a.s.a.p.
not gonna happen.
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Also, apparently:
HM = HMG-Lepori (a kind of gonadotrophin)
TGN = Trigon Depot (a corticosteroid)

Don't wanna split hairs, but are we 100% sure it says NADA behind AC?
The D is not really a D, though that could obviously be a scan/printing issue. (probably)
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