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Old 01-23-13, 16:24
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He won the Team Pursuit, lucky enough to be born in the best country. How many people count team time trials as real victories on this forum?

By the way, this is the road racing forum. As far as I'm concerned he only won a very short Romandie prologue, British road race title(lol) and the overall in one of the worst stage races there is.

So yeah, he definitely was not a winner type. Since when are we counting junior races?
Well we are lucky that your concerns dont really matter as to which prof will win what. GT is an awesome prospect, letsj sut wait and see
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Cancellara is the most dominant rider in prologues(short explosive effort) and pretty dominant in long races as well(stamina).

Yet he isn't spent after doing 2 prologues.

Bolded is an unfounded statement at best.
I think you are mixing up prologues and TP. TP are ridden at a much faster speed. Lets see GT do a prologue and Cancellara do the track before we comment.

I think you will find Cancellara without training for the track will not be the force he is in a prologue and GT will finish very well the prologue.
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I think you are mixing up prologues and TP. TP are ridden at a much faster speed. Lets see GT do a prologue and Cancellara do the track before we comment.

I think you will find Cancellara without training for the track will not be the force he is in a prologue and GT will finish very well the prologue.
When Cancellara was 15 years old he did 1km ITT on the track in 1 minute and 7 seconds.

GT won the prologue in Romandie last year and was second in the Giro prologue.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Same with Pete Kennaugh, although maybe not winning but making an impact.
kennaugh is a typical track rider. great skills overall, but lacks the engine to compete in serious wt racing. that's why he did wlel in u23, where races are shorter and easier usually
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Cancellara is the most dominant rider in prologues(short explosive effort) and pretty dominant in long races as well(stamina).

Yet he isn't spent after doing 2 prologues.

Bolded is an unfounded statement at best.
Your missing something here, Cancellara wins prologues yes and he can win races like PR and Flanders.

But he is riding prologues versus guys that also do road racing and dont only focus on a short explosive effort. As you could see in Romandie 2012 GT won the prologue, but then was struggling on the longer stages, because he had been fully focussing on a short explosive effort.

If Cancellara would have ridden with the GB team in the team pursuit (instead of Thomas) in his prologue form with which he won prologues in the TDF etc, the GB team would certainly not have won gold.

Cancellara is obviously a class act, and if he would focus on the track and team pursuit he could be a really good rider I think (although its not an option for a guy from Switzerland at this time). But he also cannot win the worlds on team pursuit and Roubaix in the same year.
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Old 01-23-13, 17:25
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Your missing something here, Cancellara wins prologues yes and he can win races like PR and Flanders.

But he is riding prologues versus guys that also do road racing and dont only focus on a short explosive effort. As you could see in Romandie 2012 GT won the prologue, but then was struggling on the longer stages, because he had been fully focussing on a short explosive effort.

If Cancellara would have ridden with the GB team in the team pursuit (instead of Thomas) in his prologue form with which he won prologues in the TDF etc, the GB team would certainly not have won gold.

Cancellara is obviously a class act, and if he would focus on the track and team pursuit he could be a really good rider I think (although its not an option for a guy from Switzerland at this time). But he also cannot win the worlds on team pursuit and Roubaix in the same year.
GT was also second in the final and longer time trial of the Giro(on the final stage, meaning he recovered well or lost time on purpose on some stages to conserve energy).

Cancellara is the king of short explosive effort on flat or undulating terrain. Adding a track on it wouldn't change much.

If Cancellara wanted to he could probably win some track events(that suit him as a rider) and a bunch of road races in the same year.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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GT was also second in the final and longer time trial of the Giro(on the final stage, meaning he recovered well or lost time on purpose on some stages to conserve energy).

Cancellara is the king of short explosive effort on flat or undulating terrain. Adding a track on it wouldn't change much.

If Cancellara wanted to he could probably win some track events(that suit him as a rider) and a bunch of road races in the same year.
yes by the end of the Giro GT obviously already got better on the road again.

GT had to peak twice on the track last year though and then it will be hard to win multiple races on the road afterwards.

Cancellara (if he was Brittish) could not have won Worlds TP (track) + Olympics TP (track) + Worlds TT (road) last year. Its just to much of a difference and you get to far behind on people who fully focus on the Worlds TT (Road) like Martin and Phinney.

You are probably going to say what about G's 2011 etc but he actually had an impressive year maybe not result wise (although he still had some good results), but if you watched how he did ride as a domestic it was impressive. While he also did some track racing in between (and became european champion for example). And guys like Boonen and Gilbert dont win 10 races each year either even though they are undisputable captains at their team.

But fact is G has always been a winner on whatever he focussed, and his time on the road will now come and I think he again will be a winner.

Fine for me if you dont agree but im done with this, we had a similar discussion 2 days ago and G proved you wrong by winning, and im sure he will do that again .
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yes by the end of the Giro GT obviously already got better on the road again.



Fine for me if you dont agree but im done with this, we had a similar discussion 2 days ago and G proved you wrong by winning, and im sure he will do that again .
No he didn't. I said it's January and impossible to predict who is still in form and who's still in build-up.

He did however look like someone who could win actual road races yesterday. In the other years of his road career he never showed something like that. And he didn't focus on track in 2009-2011.

Nobody gets better during a GT, some people just get worse on a slower rate than others.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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I don't know if someone already mentioned it but Gilbert looks a bit fat
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Old 01-23-13, 17:51
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i've just seen the stage. indeed thomas hasn't the most beautiful style climbing but he's efficient. the strongest by far,very powerful sprint too.
can't see him losing on old willunga.
Pantani style on the drops is ugly-beautiful

it was a strong sprint - only short stage though, we know he can do 250km+ so if he can keep that sprint for the finale of a monument maybe I will see a Brit win a proper race
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