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Old 01-23-13, 16:17
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Andy in top shape:

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Winner of a couple of Tour stages. With at least one of them being won with an explosive attack near the end.

BW in top shape:

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He didn't have any need of doing so, unlike Schleck in the Tour where he had to attack due to his TT. Purely speaking of Tour's.

However overall totally agreed. When Schleck is on peak, he's explosive enough. Much more explosive than Wiggins on climbs...
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Old 01-23-13, 16:18
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This is pure explosiveness. Not after 250km or 200km explosiveness.
When looking at that you can look at how Schleck managed Contador's attack on the Col de Manse for example.
This isn't track, big/prestigious races are always longer than 200km.

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He didn't have any need of doing so, unlike Schleck in the Tour where he had to attack due to his TT. Purely speaking of Tour's.

However overall totally agreed. When Schleck is on peak, he's explosive enough. Much more explosive than Wiggins on climbs...
Before last year, Wiggins didn't feature in a Tour. Ok, his fourth place in 2009 was impressive, but Andy was by far better than him every time the road went uphill.
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Old 01-23-13, 16:21
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This isn't track, big/prestigious races are always longer than 200km.



Before last year, Wiggins didn't feature in a Tour. Ok, his fourth place in 2009 was impressive, but Andy was by far better than him every time the road went uphill.
Yep but this is talking about pure uphill explosiveness. Why do you assume it is talking about stage finishes?
Edit: Btw I am just quoting what Schleck said himself in an interview a while back where he said he excels as the race gets longer, but he in general does not have a great acceleration.
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Old 01-23-13, 16:27
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Yep but this is talking about pure uphill explosiveness. Why do you assume it is talking about stage finishes?
Edit: Btw I am just quoting what Schleck said himself in an interview a while back where he said he excels as the race gets longer, but he in general does not have a great acceleration.
Andy is known to talk a lot of garbage.

The only reason Andy is saying he isn't explosive uphill is because he lost time on stage 4(I think) at the 2011 Tour. He should never have lost time there and he knows it.

The reality is, that in top form, Andy is one of the more explosive climbers out there.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 01-23-13, 16:53
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I would not call him explosive. Rather he can maintain a ridiculously high speed for a short sustained period of time. If you look back at his Romandie win that is how I think he managed that.

In terms of his explosiveness uphill. He is probably better than Andy Schleck, his lack of any significant trouble anywhere in the Tour on such climbs demonstrated that he certainly has improved in that area. How much it is still hard to say without him being tested to the limit on such a route.
no way and the only reason he didn't have trouble in the tour, is because the tour barely features explosive climb finishes. there were no purito and contador either, or other explosive riders(scarponi)
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Yep but this is talking about pure uphill explosiveness. Why do you assume it is talking about stage finishes?
Edit: Btw I am just quoting what Schleck said himself in an interview a while back where he said he excels as the race gets longer, but he in general does not have a great acceleration.
nobody is saying that andy has. but wiggins is far worse though

edit: now pisti says he has. andy schleck isn't very explosive, he's average imo. wiggins is worse than average. far worse, not as bad as basso, but close
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nobody is saying that andy has. but wiggins is far worse though

edit: now pisti says he has. andy schleck isn't very explosive, he's average imo. wiggins is worse than average. far worse, not as bad as basso, but close
In his best shape of course, meaning 2009/2010. He's not a Rodriguez, Contador, Valverde or Gilbert(on the hills), but he can pack a punch.

Nobody but Contador could follow his acceleration on the Tourmalet. I think Jrod was third that day...

He also outkicked Samuel Sanchez during a 2010 Tour stage.

You don't come second in FW while being average.
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horrible. boonen just the same guy as years before and this course is too hard for him. that's why he rode like a coward there were at least 3 guys stronger than boonen today and none of them won: sagan, ballan, pozzato
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Old 01-24-13, 01:10
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nobody is saying that andy has. but wiggins is far worse though

edit: now pisti says he has. andy schleck isn't very explosive, he's average imo. wiggins is worse than average. far worse, not as bad as basso, but close
yeah no way wiggo is more explosive then andy, what a joke.

probably more explosive then gesink tho
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In his best shape of course, meaning 2009/2010. He's not a Rodriguez, Contador, Valverde or Gilbert(on the hills), but he can pack a punch.

Nobody but Contador could follow his acceleration on the Tourmalet. I think Jrod was third that day...

He also outkicked Samuel Sanchez during a 2010 Tour stage.

You don't come second in FW while being average.

Albasini ?
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Albasini has been a strong finisher for years.
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