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Old 01-25-13, 20:42
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What I don't get is why the UCI set up a truly independent commission, knowing fully well that its findings would be devastating. Did they hope they could control them? Did they plan to stall them like they're doing until they just ceased to exist?
It's pretty clear the UCI were going to strangle this with legalize.
That's why the the terms of reference were important and why WADA, CCN etc raised concerns.

The UCI will say that it will give all documents in public, yet in the terms they reserve the right to with hold certain information.
The whole thing was designed by UCI (Hein/Pat) as a delaying tactic, and that any subsequent report would be so watered down it could be impossible to give firm conclusions and come up with solutions.
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Thank-you.

Excellent post. Who said the Clinic is the Asylum?


we are leading edge here....


btw it will get interesting wont it...
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Old 01-25-13, 21:05
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we are leading edge here....


btw it will get interesting wont it...
Not sure it will.

UCI will do what they do best. Nothing. Then stall a little, then do nothing again.

They're very good at it....
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Not sure it will.

UCI will do what they do best. Nothing. Then stall a little, then do nothing again.

They're very good at it....
well indeed. and the peloton is very good at endulging it.

look at Jérémy Roy's open letter.

excellent letter, but not a bad word on UCI.

on the other hand, i was positively surprised to hear Wiggins spank Pat in public.

if the peloton had voting right, I wonder how many protour riders would vote for or against continuation under the current UCI.

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Old 01-25-13, 21:39
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Not sure it will.

UCI will do what they do best. Nothing. Then stall a little, then do nothing again.

They're very good at it....
Nope.
That's what they normally do, and what Hein/Pat want to do, nothing.
But the UCI is under so much pressure their own management committee are becoming rebellious. Usually P&H could keep them in check but with CCN, UCIIC etc then they cannot do much in private.

To be frank, I fully expected the UCIIC to quit today or offer an ultimatum - but they gave the UCI just a little more time.
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Old 01-25-13, 21:41
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It seems that Pat's idea of an 'independent' commission and the commision's view of being independent are poles apart - perhaps because Pat expected his own Vrijman report.

Nice thing is they've done all this ****wittery in public - wonder if that's what the UCI IC had in mind - exposing the total lack of co-operation from UCI? Seems the UCI couldn't provide them because it was too much expense - guess they blew their cash on shredders instead
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It seems that Pat's idea of an 'independent' commission and the commision's view of being independent are poles apart - perhaps because Pat expected his own Vrijman report.

Nice thing is they've done all this ****wittery in public - wonder if that's what the UCI IC had in mind - exposing the total lack of co-operation from UCI? Seems the UCI couldn't provide them because it was too much expense - guess they blew their cash on shredders instead
They learnt well from USADA. Make it public the whole way. What the UCI did today is what they've been doing behind closed doors for years. Now the world is seeing it because its public and it relates to Armstrong.
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Old 01-25-13, 21:58
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Brailsford has made a statement saying he doesn't believe a Truth & Reconciliation process is needed. Is he trying to help the UCI or scared of what may come out?
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Old 01-25-13, 22:07
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But the UCI is under so much pressure their own management committee are becoming rebellious.
Now this is me in tinfoil modus, as I'm not sure of the current stance of the National unions. Perhaps something has recently changed what I'm not aware of:

My impression is that the National Unions don't really want to pursue this. If we look at the KNWB and BWB we see only extremely belatedly some research into the ton of rumours that have been around since Festina.

The fact that Rabo wasn't dismantled after it's management was involved in whereabouts fraud is shocking. The Belgians are belatedly researching Leinders, but they have been okay with Ibarguen at Lotto. For that matter, when Boonen all those years ago in a public outburst admitted almost everyone used Epo there was enough grounds to turn Quickstep inside out.

We know the Spanish Union doesn't cooperate or largely feels powerless.

The French have a lot of rethorics, but Dr. Menuet is still with a team.

Besides USADA I can only think of the Italians who are remotely anti doping.

Every other union is acting rather reluctantly if acting at all.
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Old 01-25-13, 22:31
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For reference

UCI IC statement January 25, 2013

USA Cycling statement January 25, 2013

CN article January 25, 2013
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