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Old 01-30-13, 17:13
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Any youngsters coming up from Spain? There seems to be dearth of quality youngsters in Spain at the moment, even though I have a fairly good idea behind the reasons for it.
Exactly zero talented U23's. Even Carlos Verona, who's being talked up as being very talented, has no decent results whatsoever.
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Exactly zero talented U23's. Even Carlos Verona, who's being talked up as being very talented, has no decent results whatsoever.
So thats why he got a contract at quick step while only being just 20? He got 48th in Vuelta a Burgos which is a 2.HC race when he was only 19. And he got 9th in GC in Toscana Terra Di Ciclismo, which had a very strong field. He also had a few decent results in his first year as a U23, and did well in smaller Spanish races. So he does have some decent results.

Another good Spanish talent is Enric Mas Nicolau, but he will still be a junior next year.
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Francisco Jose Medina Abril is considered to be pretty talented. The most obvious reason why Spaniards don't look that talented in youth ranks is because they don't race that much internationally and are hard to track.

You got to be honest, they don't race a lot of International races. They didn't even race in the European Championships.

Apart from Toscana (9th with Verona), Tour de l'Avenir (disaster), Roubaix (where they don't belong) & the worlds they ride nothing international.

It's true that they don't have a good 92'-90' generation. But there are some younger ones incomming that can do okay.
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'Exactly zero talented U23's. Even Carlos Verona, who's being talked up as being very talented, has no decent results whatsoever"

HAHA Verona dominated all stage races he participated in juniors:

Exhibition in the Sierra Norte against the bests spanish teams of the category, general classification, mountain classification, regularity jersey and the best young guy of the race. He made a bloodbath in the queen stage of Torrelaguna with an attack in the first meters of the begin. Exhibition in Galapagar showing his superiority and putting huge differences in the finish line. Domination in the championship of Terrasa before the bests spanish juniors, one more time attacking from far and creating big differences. Victories in Cataluña, Andalucía, in the ITT championship of Madrid, uncountable mountain classifications won, best junior of the Rfec ranking... Verona is the best national junior of the lasts years without doubt.

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It's true that they don't have a good 92'-90' generation. But there are some younger ones incomming that can do okay.
I think it's going to be interesting to see the development of Jordi Simon (from ´90)......
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Then he showed big things in the Tour of Pays de Savoie (6° in the overall classification and the best young guy) Vuelta a Besaya before the Jungels and Shalunov and in the Nations Cup (Toscana) Of course Verona doesnt have results

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I think it's going to be interesting to see the development of Jordi Simon (from ´90)......
Sure there are some talents, I mean Herrada isn't bad eather. And Verona obviously is talented, but it's just not the best generation from Spain.

To bad Simon had to drop a level, I thought he was pretty talented also at the start of the prev. season. But now I can't see him become a subtopper tbh. Same thing happened with Diego Milan some years ago, was really talented but never made it.

I can't see riders like Fraile or Bilbao make it to the top. So apart from Herrada & Verona I don't see any 90'-92' spanish rider become a leader. Even Herrada wil not become a leader, but a well rounded good rider.

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So thats why he got a contract at quick step while only being just 20? He got 48th in Vuelta a Burgos which is a 2.HC race when he was only 19. And he got 9th in GC in Toscana Terra Di Ciclismo, which had a very strong field. He also had a few decent results in his first year as a U23, and did well in smaller Spanish races. So he does have some decent results.

Another good Spanish talent is Enric Mas Nicolau, but he will still be a junior next year.
Decent results, but why he immediately got a contract at OPQS is beyond me. Maybe in training they've seen some things that we haven't yet seen on the road.

Although of course to distinguish yourself as a climber on that team isn't very hard.
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HAHA Verona dominated all stage races he participated in juniors:

Exhibition in the Sierra Norte against the bests spanish teams of the category, general classification, mountain classification, regularity jersey and the best young guy of the race. He made a bloodbath in the queen stage of Torrelaguna with an attack in the first meters of the begin. Exhibition in Galapagar showing his superiority and putting huge differences in the finish line. Domination in the championship of Terrasa before the bests spanish juniors, one more time attacking from far and creating big differences. Victories in Cataluña, Andalucía, in the ITT championship of Madrid, uncountable mountain classifications won, best junior of the Rfec ranking... Verona is the best national junior of the lasts years without doubt.
We aren't discussing junior results here, that's not an indication he's a top talent. There are many riders with more talent in the espoir category atm. Where did he showcase an above average talent in the U23, except for the 'impressive' 48th in Burgos?
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He's riding at a WT team, not in the U23 scene, hence he can't showcase anything there.

If you're still stuck in the U23 scene at age 22/23 you can't be all that talented even if you dominate the ranks.
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