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Old 01-31-13, 22:50
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You'll have to excuse us, but the bar has been set at a place where a shovel is needed to gain access to it. We're not accustomed to any type of honesty from anybody from the peloton regardless of how little they have to lose.
Nice turn of phrase. I'll have to remember that one.

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You'll have to excuse us, but the bar has been set at a place where a shovel is needed to gain access to it. We're not accustomed to any type of honesty from anybody from the peloton regardless of how little they have to lose.
You'll have to excuse me, but I think the bar has been set by your excellent comment.
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Breach of contract, perhaps?
That's civil law, not criminal. Unless there is some jail time consequences, I don't see how it gets better.
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I think you would share our opinions if you had seen both press releases and could undestand danish.
My Danish is savagely lacking in both reading and comprehension, so I will take your post as meaning there is something to legitimately celebrate concerning this Rasmussen revelation.

I've seen no names - particularly of enablers (suppliers, doctors, etc), I don't care about other riders so much given he's been out of the pro game for a while.

And in a sense, this is still discussing the past - when there is so much in the present that feels / looks / smells wrong, and I am unsure how or even if this Rasmussen revelation is going to help that at all.

Thank you for the reassurance.
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lol, Boogerd is next.
Let us hope so. But that is more for the 'Rasmussen and Boogerd killed the Rabo sponsoring in pro-cycling' topic.

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1. When riders were wearing heartrate monitors to bed so they didn't die in their sleep was theraputic levels of oxygen vector doping?
These were the crazy 80ies/90ies. If there was any UCI rule that made sense, it was the 50% rule. Just to save the riders' lifes.

EPO should be administered until the patient is @ ca. 40% HCT and is considered "safe" until at least 50% and if under constant monitoring even more. Remember that heavy smokers or heavy T-abusers (read: bodybuilders) or a combination of both approach 55+ or even 60% HCT frequently.

I would be more concerned about cell growth which according to studies appears to be dosage-independent. It sucks to be a Pro, just wait a few years until cancer kicks in across the board.


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2. Let's argue for a minute you could verify who was taking what at what dosage, the point is the riders aren't recovering from an illness. Please don't use the Fuentes quote.
The most generally accessible document is obviously Voets book. But there are so many "training"-plans, you may want to search for yourself.

And then there is the small world of cycling, training partners and such. Somebody who knows somebody. Go riding in Italy, talk to the dilletanti, I found them very chatty - at least in the early twothousands. But as I repeatedly stated: my country is really small as well. And I come from a town that is well known for a WADA accredited lab housed by a sports university and friends and training partners either study or teach there. Ask Clenberto which town that may be.

Edit: And furthermore there are pharmacokinetics. Educate yourself about the effects in relation to trigger values during testing. Btw the reason why I'm more concerned about amateur racers and weekend warriors that are rarely tested. Also learn about possible water retention, stiffness and all that stuff.

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Now I hope people are not naive and think Rabobank was a big bad doping team. They were just trying to go along with what EVERYONE else was doing in that time...
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My Danish is savagely lacking in both reading and comprehension, so I will take your post as meaning there is something to legitimately celebrate concerning this Rasmussen revelation.
I don't think anyone is 'celebrating' anything tbh.

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I've seen no names - particularly of enablers (suppliers, doctors, etc), I don't care about other riders so much given he's been out of the pro game for a while.
This is why it was important to see and undestand what was said today.

Names have been mentioned. Active riders, active SD's, doctors, suppliers etc.

This will be on a completely different scale of what anyone has said after a confession. Hembo's interview after the confession made sure of that - even without being able to mention names.

We have to be patient with the names. Many of them will be given the chance to contact DCU before DCU contacts them. (That would be for danes of course.) Rasmussen has testified to WADA and USADA for international names.

Remember - he would have got 8 years ban. He got 2. You'll have to tell a whole lot to get such a discount.

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