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Old 01-31-13, 19:01
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According to the CN interview with Vayer, it was Vayer alone who contacted Armstrong, not the CCN. Vayer indicated plainly that it was him acting on his own and not in any capacity representing CCN. Ashendon's comments were of the impression that the organization itself initiated contact with Armstrong. There must be more to this than is currently available in the media.
Agree - heres my theory.
I find Vayer meeting PMcQ more peculiar than reaching out to LA. All of CCN appear in agreement to McQuaids removal, so why bother meeting him?
Perhaps that was agreed by CCN, but the LA one was not known (or agreed) by all members.
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Ashenden's decision seems rather premature to me, especially if this was just Vayer acting as an individual.

I'm not completely opposed to the idea of CCN contacting Lance. Lance seems ripe for bus-throw-undery (credits Dear Wiggo). Strike while the iron is still hot, Vayer may have thought.

And yes, the truth could eventually also set Lance free.
His recent interview with CN was like a wind of fresh air. For the first time I saw a glimpse of sincere repentance and self-reflection, even though it were just flashes. I briefly had a feeling that his sworn enemies (Floyd, Paul) must not necessarily remain his enemies till eternity. Of course, still a long way to go. But I'd be willing to welcome a truthful and repentant Lance back into society, provided he rats out Pathetic and Heinous.
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Premature was a good choice of word. I was thinking about beleidigt and kindisch.
And happy my thoughts about certain individuals are once more confirmed.

This is one of those points, when true faces are shown.
This is the point when people interested in cleaner cycling can be seperated from people who are still and were always just sitting on the trainwreck of hate, playing cycling-saints as a magic hood to hide the hate.
That threadopening monkey and the rest of his beloved, holy crew are the best example. Anyway, appreciated.

But more appreciated are those who did really convert into cycling saints by just making sense.
Sadly they are very rare, but always welcome...those converts.

When you like digging in dirt, you have to consider that you will have to work with dirt.
Ashden's main point, which is that he wasn't informed or included well enough, is just pretextual. He wouldn't have cared if it was anyone else.

He reminds me of a gynaecologist who does pick his patients.
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He reminds me of a gynaecologist who does pick his patients.


i'm gonna use this in the future. blackcat deigns to play jar eyes gaems
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Reading the 'interview' on Armstrong today on CN and on the same day Ashenden quits the CCN when it comes to light Vayer wants to meet Armstrong is quite some timing.

You can't have two captains on one ship I guess. Too much testosterone?

I must say I like them both, both have the same agenda, just an other way of working? Pragmatic versus black/white?
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Yes, of course. Especially when it is you that is asking.

beleidigt=huffy

kindisch=infantile

No one is perfect, you know.
In your case, I always wonder if there is any chance that you could post something that is not a question, Doc ?
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Yes, of course. Especially when it is you that is asking.

beleidigt=huffy

kindisch=infantile

No one is perfect, you know.
In your case, I always wonder if there is any chance that you could post something that is not a question, Doc ?
You just have to say the words out loud to understand their meaning......to many of us go with our brains when it is our hearts we should be listening to
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I am thinking that Ashenden is one of those PhD types who do not thrive in situations that require compromise and political operating. He is more of the this is right and that is wrong type of personality. The sphere that CCN works in is a more pragmatic and political system, where your have to give ground to make ground. If thats is close to correct, then MA is better served to remove himself from CCN, and can better serve the battle against drugs in sport from a more outside and consultive position. This in no way to claim that either type of person is good or bad, in fact it takes all types to make the world work.
Based on ?

Man, the interns are being paid a pretty penny to dump on Ashenden in this thread.
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Old 02-01-13, 01:54
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I tend to agree with python. For CCN to meet LA is a pretty odd thing indeed. Hard to fathom, difficult to justify, naive.

If Vayer was acting off his own bat then maybe Ashenden has overreacted but one would assume that he is privy to more information than we are so... We don't know how Vayer actually represented himself to LA.
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Ashenden talks about why he left CCN:

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13...Armstrong.aspx

“Armstrong has until February 6th to meet with USADA and make a statement under oath. The situation cannot be any simpler for Armstrong, and his bobbing and weaving of that appointment with USADA is damning. Unless and until he does so, I cannot condone anyone, including Change Cycling Now, who provides him with a platform to whine.

“Therefore, as soon as it came to my attention that people within Change Cycling Now had approached Armstrong, my position within that movement became untenable. I immediately informed the group that I had withdrawn. However I also made it clear to the group that I continued to support what Change Cycling Now is seeking to achieve.”
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