Originally Posted by sniper
nice nuanced comment
you know that my beef is not with jv but with the "cycling is so much cleaner now" movement which imo jeopardizes (or at least slows down) currents attempts to change cycling. the movement is designed to throw mud into the eyes of the fans.
i can't help it that jv is the frontrunner of that movement. (see walsh's comments)
I'm not throwing mud in anyone's eyes. The data is available for everyone to see. My opinion, looking at the data (median hb, climbing speeds, and median retic stability) lead me to believe that racing is cleaner. It's that simple.
You don't have to agree. I don't care. I'm just saying that is my interpretation.
And if folks are doping, it isn't helping them very much (per climbing speed data), so what do I care? If I think a young talented rider can win clean and won't be put in the "you'll need to dope to win or place" position, then frankly I don't care if some moron is injecting monkey placenta into his brain thinking it'll help. If it doesn't significantly destabilize the opportunities highly talented and clean riders have, I'm not going to go ape**** about it. Waste.
What's not a waste of energy is making sure we don't enter another period where the doping methods outstrip large differences in talent. That is when the whole thing goes sideways.
Also, I'm not going to lie and say "dammit, it's all dirty!! Especially those evil feckers at Sky!!".... I don't believe that. Why would I say it? Just to feel good about myself?
As for Walsh, I talk to David quite a bit, and I think he is of the same opinion. At least in our discussions he seems fairly convince by the data. But then, it's his job to always be a bit on guard. And I'm sure you can find some sound byte that shows he's suspect. But sound bytes you get to read in the press don't equal knowing someone for a decade and speaking with them regularly.
That's the thing, you guys try to place me at odds with Kimmage and Walsh or whatever. These people have stayed in my guest room and had BBQ ribs at my dinner table. And we debate this stuff, but all in good humor. I listen to them, they listen to me. It's constructive. Which is something you could aim for.
I first had dinner with David in 2003. And admitted my whole story to him around that time as well. He kept it private, which was nice of him... But anyway, just saying', I was hang in with Walsh before it was what all the cool kids wanted to do.
I know I'm really annoying you with that last paragraph. It's intentional.