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Old 01-21-13, 23:13
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I think you're letting the stats gloss over our many areas where we don't have much at all/need to improve fast. Those areas:

Batting (all positions except 5, Michael Clarke; and 7, Matthew Wade)
No spinners
Keeping the quicks fit

You can be a very good test side with an outstanding bowling attack (which we don't have, courtesy of our lack of quality spinners) and an average, but disciplined batting order. Pak-i-stan under Misbah are a great example of that. The problem we have is our batsmen don't have discipline. Their lack of talent wouldn't be that big a flaw if they were able to regularly bat 100+ overs, even if they only score 250 runs, the time taken to do that means you're less likely to lose. On top of that, if we ever hit a track where there isn't a lot of swing or seam and we need our spinner to step up, nobody in the country is capable of that. Michael Clarke is still our best spin bowler, which is just farcical.

We're not very likely to win in England, and I think it'll be an uphill battle in India as well, even though India are really in the doldrums at the moment. Bringing up ODI' is irrelevant- England have never cared much about the format or been any good at it, and they're being monstered away from home by a country that takes that format very seriously. Australia attach reasonable importance to ODIs, and at home, our quicks should not be being outperformed.
Oh, don't get me wrong, we'll get our arses kicked in both, I just reckon it will be a lot closer than many think. Aussies in transition, no doubt, but they can still go ok. They're batting has been excellent for 12 months, boosted by Clarke for sure (& Hussey ), but they have consistently scored totals of 400+, batting well over 100 overs, so not sure where you're getting your stats from? You can only go on current TEST form, not the shorter versions, THAT was my point. I'm no slave to stats, I can assure you, if I was a selector, S Marsh, L Pomersbach and M Cosgrove would have been in the team before hackers like Cowan. Even take a risk and back young Travis Head from SA. I like natural talent, all of those guys are clean ball strikers.

Aussie selectors have made it abundantly clear that they don't give a rats about ODI's, neither do I. Bringing up the Poms getting they're arses kicked, was making the point that they are meaningless games. Different teams. Just as people are bagging the Aussies because they are going ordinary (with an ordinary side) in some irrelevant ODI.

Test -
Bowling - Siddle, Starc, Bird, Johnson, Hilhenhaus, Cummins, Harris. Admittedly weak in the spin, but Nathan Lyon IS better than he is given credit for.

Batting- Clarke, Warner, Cowan , Kuwaja, Hughes and I'd include Marsh. Be really disappointed if they went with D Hussey, not up to it. He's Trevor Chappell.

England>Australia
Cook>Clarke

Both have had extraordinary 2012's... Looking forward to see which one does it again in 2013?
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Oh my. Words fail me.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-...ry/602765.html

Possible test squad for the tour of India:

Possible squad: Michael Clarke (capt), Jackson Bird, Ed Cowan, Xavier Doherty, Moises Henriques, Phillip Hughes, Mitchell Johnson, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Glenn Maxwell, James Pattinson, Peter Siddle, Steven Smith, Mitchell Starc, Matthew Wade (wk), David Warner, Shane Watson.

What on earth are those 4 doing anywhere near the test set-up? I'm absolutely gob-smacked. The selectors must be taking the ****! I'd also question the inclusions of both Johnson and Starc. Neither of the two are likely to do especially well in India, since there's hardly any swing or seam to be found over there and those two are just half-volley machines without swing or seam. Add to that, they're left armers and so the ball will naturally shape towards the (mostly) right-handed Indian batsmen, who love to flick the ball leg-side.
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It seems Smith & Maxwell will be fighting for the No 6 spot.
Are they good enough batsmen to bat at that place in tests?
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No! Smith is absolutely useless- can't bat, can't bowl. He's just a specialist fieldsman, I have no idea how he keeps getting into national squads. Maxwell is a decent ODI/T20 player but he's a lot like Cameron White. Part-time spinner, and can only slog as a batsman. Henriques is barely an international standard player in any format, someone who should be playing for an Associate country or Zimbabwe. Hopefully the selectors don't take complete leave of their senses and play Watson or Khawaja at 6.

Ideally we would forget all about spin (except Lyon) and try and take advantage of India's ageing batting line-up by picking a load of fast bowlers. The problem wickets will be Pujara and Kohli, because they aren't decrepit old men like the rest and should be able to see off the quicks and then feast on Lyon. I can imagine them being the new Dravid-Laxman combination for us .

The worst thing about this is that there is reasonable talent (especially with fast bowling) in the domestic first class competition, but they're being overlooked and instead players who impressed in the BBL are being considered as test prospects. Which is a crazy approach, akin to handpicking riders winning local crits and getting them to ride WorldTour stage races.

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After watching India v England I would say that two spinners are needed at some turning wickets. The bowler that you really will miss is Pat Cummins, a genuine fast bowler. About batting I don't know much about what you have in back up now when Hussey and Ponting are gone.

Soon my two teams, NZ and England will play and it looks like Vettori wont make the the first leg of the tour (in NZ). Hopefully Southee will be available for the tests and Patel removed.
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Just a month after former cricketer and selector Mohinder Amarnath claimed that the president of Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), N. Srinivasan, had vetoed a move to sack Mahendra Singh Dhoni as the captain of Indian Test team, his allegation gained support with his company India Cements now employing the player as a vice-president.

The move has raised questions about conflict of interest within the BCCI...
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/b.../1/248428.html

That's the problem Indian cricket has. It's not the IPL specifically, it's Srinivasan and his corruption and nepotism. He's got to go.
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Indian's have been vetoing DRS again.

You would think they would feel a sense of shame and embarassment, actually suggesting DRS can be manipulated whilst they use home umpires which are either grossly incompetant or morally suspect (I hasten to add, I presume it is the former).

Alistair Cook had 4 stinkers on that tour - they pretty quickly worked out the best way of getting him out...
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Indian's have been vetoing DRS again.

You would think they would feel a sense of shame and embarassment, actually suggesting DRS can be manipulated whilst they use home umpires which are either grossly incompetant or morally suspect (I hasten to add, I presume it is the former).

Alistair Cook had 4 stinkers on that tour - they pretty quickly worked out the best way of getting him out...
It's a bit of both.

This is the Unfortunate consequence of the Financial power of cricket shifting to India.
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DRS is becoming a joke or always was. Either use it for everything or not at all like they do in other sports. Giving each team a handful of reviews in each innings just doesn't work. As for the Indians, God knows what they are thinking. It should be used for all internationals or not at all. As long as Umpires are strict about time wasting and frivolous appeals why not use the technology.
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And that man, by virtue of his presidency of the BCCI, is the virtual leader of world cricket. Everybody except the ECB (good on you for that) dances to his tune. Now, if the BCCI had a man of principle and honour in charge, then that might not be too much a problem, but Srinivasan is hilariously corrupt, and manipulates world cricket to ensure that the IPL, and his Chennai franchise stay at the highest importance. The Indian objection to DRS is something I can't get my head around. They didn't say anything bad about it in 2011 when it saved Tendulkar in the World Cup semi final...


In other news, Seth Efreca have shot out Pak-istan for 49. I had hopes of them being able to upset South Africa. If they still had Mohammed Aamir and had a competent batting order (with apologies to Younis Khan, a fine player), they'd be the best in the world.
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