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Old 02-02-13, 17:22
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As a good friend of mine used to observe, it is going to hurt anyways so you might as well win.

Anybody in professional sport - and the pro peloton is at the very highest competitive level in cycling - isn't there for the experience and the scenery. They are competitively driven.

He was not a super-dom, and had the latitude to actually suffer and win and not just suffer.

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Yeah, of course another lovely black and white statement. I presume you're friend is an individual with individual traits and his outlook is just that individual.

Of course the nuances of human traits and psychology don't exist in professional sports. Win at all cost the lot of them. No human frailties at all, physical or mental.
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Yeah, of course another lovely black and white statement. I presume you're friend is an individual with individual traits and his outlook is just that individual.

Of course the nuances of human traits and psychology don't exist in professional sports. Win at all cost the lot of them. No human frailties at all, physical or mental.
If Wiggins is a win at all costs then doping is right up his street.
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If Wiggins is a win at all costs then doping is right up his street.
My point wasn't that Wiggins is win at all costs, far from it.
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Yeah, of course another lovely black and white statement. I presume you're friend is an individual with individual traits and his outlook is just that individual.

Of course the nuances of human traits and psychology don't exist in professional sports. Win at all cost the lot of them. No human frailties at all, physical or mental.
You presume too much, I am afraid. He is dead. He has no outlook.

He had lots of frailties. So do you, apparently.

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Old 02-02-13, 17:29
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You presume too much, I am afraid. He is dead. He has no outlook.

He had lots of frailties. So do you, apparently.

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Yeah, when I race I have frailties as I do in normal everyday life. As I would suggest Pro athletes do.
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Yeah, when I race I have frailties as I do in normal everyday life. As I would suggest Pro athletes do.
You should try going for the win when you race.

Apparently, that is all it takes. Next thing you know, you will be in yellow.

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My point wasn't that Wiggins is win at all costs, far from it.
His 2012 season dispels that.
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His 2012 season dispels that.

How so? the clue is in the 'at all costs' bit. Just because he won alot last year doesn't mean it was at all costs, unless you know something I don't.
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How so? the clue is in the 'at all costs' bit. Just because he won alot last year doesn't mean it was at all costs, unless you know something I don't.
He won everything he wanted last year.
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My point wasn't that Wiggins is win at all costs, far from it.
About whether wiggins is win at all costs, someone put up an article a few days ago from 2010 in which wiggins said that lance was his hero. But i read the article and there was a bit where he talked about how important winning was for him. If whoever posted that article perhaps remembers could they post it again.
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