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Old 02-02-13, 23:19
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Did he? That is a serious question. My understanding was that Brailsford had approved Kimmage following Sky in the 2010 Tour but Bradley vetoed it and suggested Kimmage joined up with the team in the second week, which Kimmage understandably declined.
He may not have burnt his bridge in 2010, but he certainly has in the past 6 months or so.
Hard luck, opportunity lost.

Besides, what would be the outcome if he gave Sky the "clean" endorsement"?
Would every sceptic on here say: "OK, Sky must be clean", or something along the lines of: "Another one bought off/Job offer" etc etc?
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Old 02-02-13, 23:21
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Thinking that a team is clean *after* spending a week with them is not the same as thinking that a team is clean to get an invite to spend a week with them.
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In this video Walsh talks about Wiggins after having talked about Lance for a while.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ4tyw3t-Pk#t=3m44s
However, he seems like a different guy when he talks about Wiggins/Sky.
- "Sky has the biggest budget, so, I think, it's natural they will get the best riders"
- Walsh believes Wiggins would have won with Garmin if he would've stayed with them"

How serious are those statements?
The big budget is certainly a fallacy, and a frustrating one since one thinks - if only walsh could lend us an ear for 2 seconds we can point out that a lot of their best guys were only average when they bought them, and only cav was a world beater.

Still, don't put down Walsh lightly. He earnt his respect. I disagree with him on some things and think he is very wrong, even lacking in knowledge (eg his comments on the Tour being clean but Vuelta being a doping free for all).

But this isnt some ligget like journo who kissed lances **** for 10 years and thinks hisself above penance. Its 1 of the few who showed real integrity. One can disagree without calling him a sellout.
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Of course Kimmage has been rather provocative against Sky. I wouldn't be too happy having such a person viewing the team as who knows what he will come up with? But of course Brailsford will be more likely to invite someone like Walsh who he is on much better terms with than someone like Kimmage whom I would imagine he is not best pleased with atm.

But if Kimmage asked for permission to shadow the team I would not be surprised if it is granted.
You really didn't mean to write that did you?
Because it reads like Davey boy only invites someone who is not cynical. If DB was being sincere surely that is the person you invite.

The reality is while its good that they have invited Walsh really it's too little too late - not necessarily their own fault but it sounds like damage limitation then genuine openness.

It should also be acknowledged just how deep the problem, whether perceived or real that the sport is now in that it requires journalists to be part of teams.
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Old 02-02-13, 23:26
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He's burnt his own bridge. Turns out he's got a fairly large ego, too.
A little more diplomacy and a little less of an antagonistic attitude and he
could have been through the door.
He asked hard questions about what lots have been suspicious about. If that is burning a bridge with Sky, it seems Sky has something to worry about, not Kimmage. I doubt he is shedding tears about not being asked.

If Brailsford had balls he would've invited both Walsh and Kimmage.

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Besides, if he ended up saying nice things, he'd be viewed as a dirty sell out too, by the Clinician Sicilians.
A dig at me perchance. Failed.
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You really didn't mean to write that did you?
Because it reads like Davey boy only invites someone who is not cynical. If DB was being sincere surely that is the person you invite.

The reality is while its good that they have invited Walsh really it's too little too late - not necessarily their own fault but it sounds like damage limitation then genuine openness.

It should also be acknowledged just how deep the problem, whether perceived or real that the sport is now in that it requires journalists to be part of teams.
It is much safer to have a person who has stated his belief in your team like Walsh rather than a relatively loose cannon like Kimmage. After all the PR blunders I would imagine that Brailsford would be treading carefully atm.
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No, you really don't.



He's burnt his own bridge. Turns out he's got a fairly large ego, too.
A little more diplomacy and a little less of an antagonistic attitude and he
could have been through the door.


Besides, if he ended up saying nice things, he'd be viewed as a dirty sell out too, by the Clinician Sicilians.



A much better point.
What complete nonsense.

What is Kimmages 'ego'? It seems the only ones who suggest this are Sky fans.
Which is only due to making it known that Brailsford broke a prior agreement.
Why would a journalist need to be diplomatic? Are you seriously suggesting a journalist needs to suck up to be allowed to their job?!
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Hoped he asked Wiggins why he hates Kimmage.
Why, is it any great secret?
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It is much safer to have a person who has stated his belief in your team like Walsh rather than a relatively loose cannon like Kimmage. After all the PR blunders I would imagine that Brailsford would be treading carefully atm.
Really - so Sky only invite people who "state belief" rather than allow someone do their job and publish what they observe?
Do you want to take a walk or go for a ride before you post again?!
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So why are they happy to have Walsh within the team now (which is admirable nonetheless) but barred Kimmage the access he wanted? What's changed?
Brailsford was always happy to have Kimmage in the team, at least back when he invited him. It was Wiggins had the problem. And it's pretty clear the problem is specifically with Kimmage, not journo's per se.

It's pretty bloody clear they dislike each other, and the only question really is why, and for how long. They've both dropped hints, but that there is a personal issue between the two is crystal.
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