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He almost got dropped at one point at La Toussuire. According to you Contador must have been in the shape of his life when he didn't lose time on Plateau de Beille in 2011
I would consider that episode a weakness, if Froome had hardly kept up and come last. However later on Froome made a furious 2-3km pull and was ready to sprint to the finish line powerfully. Though, if La Toussuire inspires you in this regard, ok

I never expressed on Plateau de Beille this way. I said Contador was prepared well for that Tour, not perfectly, but quite well
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I would consider that episode a weakness, if Froome had hardly kept up and come last. However later on Froome made a furious 2-3km pull and was ready to sprint to the finish line powerfully. Though, if La Toussuire inspires you in this regard, ok

I never expressed on Plateau de Beille this way. I said Contador was prepared well for that Tour, not perfectly, but quite well
Yea losing time on the first day being forced to race differently and falling 3 times is 'quite well'...

Or are you talking about the preparation prior to the tour? Don't go there
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I would consider that episode a weakness, if Froome had hardly kept up and come last. However later on Froome made a furious 2-3km pull and was ready to sprint to the finish line powerfully. Though, if La Toussuire inspires you in this regard, ok

I never expressed on Plateau de Beille this way. I said Contador was prepared well for that Tour, not perfectly, but quite well
Like Wiggins, Froome gained most of his time through the time trials. Ive been rewatching mountain stages in last years tour and neither was a great deal stronger than Nibali. Throughout the whole tour they managed to gain only around 20 - 30 seconds in the mountains on GC rivals. We've all seen Alberto taking 3-4 minutes in the mountains over the course of a grand tour. Furthermore we've seen Alberto utterly destroy Nibali time and time again in the mountains.

With a much smaller cushion in terms of TT's this year, why do you favour Froome so much?
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So does it mean Andy will ride more than Alberto this year?
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So does it mean Andy will ride more than Alberto this year?
that's not that strange is it
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Like Wiggins, Froome gained most of his time through the time trials. Ive been rewatching mountain stages in last years tour and neither was a great deal stronger than Nibali. Throughout the whole tour they managed to gain only around 20 - 30 seconds in the mountains on GC rivals. We've all seen Alberto taking 3-4 minutes in the mountains over the course of a grand tour. Furthermore we've seen Alberto utterly destroy Nibali time and time again in the mountains.

With a much smaller cushion in terms of TT's this year, why do you favour Froome so much?
Very good observation. wiggins and froome had the same climbing prowess as nibali. They only gained time on their rivals during the TTs. Having seen how contador annihilated nibali in the giro, one can predict that he'll do the same to wiggins and froome. He can gain around 2-3minutes during a mountain stage but the british duo won't be able to gain that much time on contador in a time trial. On Andy, yes they can make up good time on him in a tt but contador is a decent TT rider himself.
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Like Wiggins, Froome gained most of his time through the time trials. Ive been rewatching mountain stages in last years tour and neither was a great deal stronger than Nibali. Throughout the whole tour they managed to gain only around 20 - 30 seconds in the mountains on GC rivals. We've all seen Alberto taking 3-4 minutes in the mountains over the course of a grand tour. Furthermore we've seen Alberto utterly destroy Nibali time and time again in the mountains.

With a much smaller cushion in terms of TT's this year, why do you favour Froome so much?
If one equates Froome and Wiggins as climbers it is a jesture of desperate complacency.

What's the use to look into this situation this way, if Froome obviously worked for the team and never showed what he really could?
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If one equates Froome and Wiggins as climbers it is a jesture of desperate complacency.

What's the use to look into this situation this way, if Froome obviously worked for the team and never showed what he really could?
Was he really working that much more than Wiggins? Yes he was directly in front of Wiggins most of the race but then had Porte and Rodgers et al in front of him.

I acknowledge that he was a better climber than Wiggins but you have implied before that the pace set on the climbs dictated that it was impossible to launch lasting attacks, and that is the formula that will keep Alberto and Andy at bay this year?

Froome faltered on La Toussuire and around the same time Pinot and a variety of other riders are flying off the front
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Very good observation. wiggins and froome had the same climbing prowess as nibali. They only gained time on their rivals during the TTs. Having seen how contador annihilated nibali in the giro, one can predict that he'll do the same to wiggins and froome. He can gain around 2-3minutes during a mountain stage but the british duo won't be able to gain that much time on contador in a time trial. On Andy, yes they can make up good time on him in a tt but contador is a decent TT rider himself.
Following your scheme, I would just call Rodriguez #1 favorite, otherwise it doesnt work
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