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Old 02-03-13, 20:49
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You want to Ban Professional Cycling?
I am not BPC, your cleverness is just wrong. My background is known to some and hopefully someone will tell you I am not BPC. I do not have time explain it now because I have to go to work. Hopefully when I get back you would have seen fit to delete your false allegation, but if not I will explain then.
I have grown more frustrated with cycling over the last year and this thread is the end result of that frustration
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Old 02-03-13, 20:49
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I am rarely sarcastic, but just can't help it in this regard...

We NEED cycling to keep these heinous criminals off the street! With the GPS transponders on their bicycles, we know exactly where these guys are. Imagine the downfall of society if they were running loose in society, rather than riding their bikes all day and using doping products to recover! Pandemonium would ensue.

So, let's all take a break to appraciate our sport as one that is helping keep bad people pre-occupied with the relatively meaningless endeavor of riding a bike.
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Old 02-03-13, 20:57
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This is one really naive cycling fan wearing bifocals. NO TRUE FAN wants to watch ANY CYCLING RACE these days because there is NO ASSURANCE from the cyclists themselves, teams, owners, the UCI, the IOC, the TDFs or any other organizing body that races are clean. That is the true and realistic state of cycling today and not the myoptic one you portray.
So you're going to tar every man, woman & child that races with the same brush? Way to go!


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I have cancelled my reservations to the 2013 TDF because I will not waste my money watching a fraudulent sport, permeated with liars, cheats, perjurors and false pretenders. Sponsors are leaving the stinking mess like proverbial rats. What credible company would want to have anything to do with pro cycling.

What happens in other sports is truly irrelevant. Only an apologist for drug cheating would resort to pointing fingers at other sports. Clean up your own backyard first. Pointing fingers at others is a useless diversion tactic.
I agree that just pointing fingers at other sports alone is diversionary. However if you apply your logic, you're never going to watch any sport at all. No ice hockey, no lacrosse, no football, no soccer, no golf, no whatever. Because the only difference between every sport is the amount of money available to keep scandal away. Cycling has a problem with cheating, but its lack of real financial clout means it cannot keep a lid on it or manage the narrative. By contrast, athletics has a shed load of cash at its disposal so your countryman pi$$ing on the rules in 88 and countless other positives from nations all over the world it still carries on. Operation Puerto seems to have been all about cycling, yet there were supposedly 200 clients, of whom less than a quarter were cyclists. That begs the question who the hell were the others? Real Madrid & Barcelona were mentioned.

Sure cycling must get its house in order, but the sport and its fans have every right to demand that every other sport is held to the same standard.
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Old 02-03-13, 20:57
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This is one really naive cycling fan wearing bifocals. NO TRUE FAN wants to watch ANY CYCLING RACE these days because there is NO ASSURANCE from the cyclists themselves, teams, owners, the UCI, the IOC, the TDFs or any other organizing body that races are clean. That is the true and realistic state of cycling today and not the myoptic one you portray.

To suggest fans want to watch racing even though it is filthy because it is the so called "beautiful sport" is just plain ignorant. Doping, the Ullrichs. Rasmussens and most of all the Armstrongs of cycling (plus the hundreds of others) have ruined cycling by proving the sport is riddled with cheating. Who in their right mind wants to watch the Tour de France without being cynical it is a fair race.

To say "cycling may have some major issues with drugs" is the understatement of the year and demonstrates that you just don't get it Cycling is in a huge mess because it has a stupendous problem with drugs. It permeates all of cycling culture. Cycling is sick, sick, sick and there is no hope for the sport for at least 10 to 20 years

It will and should get kicked out of the Olympics. As long as the Pat McQuaids of the world are in charge of cycling it will be on life support.

I have cancelled my reservations to the 2013 TDF because I will not waste my money watching a fraudulent sport, permeated with liars, cheats, perjurors and false pretenders. Sponsors are leaving the stinking mess like proverbial rats. What credible company would want to have anything to do with pro cycling.

What happens in other sports is truly irrelevant. Only an apologist for drug cheating would resort to pointing fingers at other sports. Clean up your own backyard first. Pointing fingers at others is a useless diversion tactic.

Will I continue to ride my bike. Hell yes because it truly is an etherial feeling to challenge my body hearing the silent hum of a well tuned machine. But watching pro racing is for dummies.
I appreciate your ire at the state of the sport; I certainly identify with it myself. But I find it presumptuous to speak on behalf of 'true' fans and what they want. I don't see it as incongruous to appreciate a good bike race while also knowing (vaguely) what goes on behind the scenes - in fact, I find it more honest than the relationship between most sports fans that I know and the sport that they love.

Can I ask when you 'cancelled your reservations' (actually, can I also ask what that means?) for the 2013 TdF? Because if your answer is anytime after 2006, or actually even 1999, I would question how much of a 'true' cycling fan you have been, watching races all this time either without knowing what's been going on, or being okay with it.
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Old 02-03-13, 21:01
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Can I ask when you 'cancelled your reservations' (actually, can I also ask what that means?) for the 2013 TdF? Because if your answer is anytime after 2006, or actually even 1999, I would question how much of a 'true' cycling fan you have been, watching races all this time either without knowing what's been going on, or being okay with it.
There were never any reservations. A true diehard fan wouldn't need a third party to arrange things for them. They'd have enough nous to understand the sport as well as fix a trip to Europe.
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Old 02-03-13, 22:05
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I am rarely sarcastic, but just can't help it in this regard...

We NEED cycling to keep these heinous criminals off the street! With the GPS transponders on their bicycles, we know exactly where these guys are. Imagine the downfall of society if they were running loose in society, rather than riding their bikes all day and using doping products to recover! Pandemonium would ensue.

So, let's all take a break to appraciate our sport as one that is helping keep bad people pre-occupied with the relatively meaningless endeavor of riding a bike.
I was going to take a less extreme approach and suggest that we need to keep professional cycling around to keep the dopers consolidated and out of the amateur pool so the rest of us don't have to race against them. But as has been shown in the "latest masters fatty doper" thread, they are already amongst us other fatty masters racers.


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Your frustration is not out of line. If I recall correctly, German media quit broadcasting the TDF because they were more interested in fair competition than "a display of pharmaceuticals." Maybe you need to change your outlook on sports. Here's a good article from last summer's Olympics:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/sp...anted=all&_r=0

“When I watch a Spielberg movie or a Lucas movie, maybe afterward I might be interested in how a special effect was done,” Yesalis said. “But I really don’t care during the movie.

“I just watch. Do I get emotionally involved in it? No, I do not. Absolutely do not.”



Pure sport with fair play would be great, but you're just not going to get it with so much money and conflict of interest involved. Not in any professional sport. If you're looking for some sort of moral/ethical hero to cheer for, why look in a physical arena?
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Taking your ball and going home is not an option.

Doping is rampant in all sports.

Cycling is arguably the only sport where the fans, factions in the media, government entities et. al. are doing anything about it... if we were to stop we would lose the very public reveal and dialogue that cycling has pioneered.

We need to set the standard.

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Stop all sport then.
At every level? Amateur, under 23, junior, recreational?
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Old 02-04-13, 02:00
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I am not BPC, your cleverness is just wrong. My background is known to some and hopefully someone will tell you I am not BPC. I do not have time explain it now because I have to go to work. Hopefully when I get back you would have seen fit to delete your false allegation, but if not I will explain then.
Odd for someone who only signed up less that 6 months ago to have such knowledge of someone who has been banned for such a long time.

The lady protest too much.
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Old 02-04-13, 03:29
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I will await the independent confirmation that you aren't BPC. Odd for someone who only signed up less that 6 months ago to have such knowledge of someone who has been banned for such a long time.

The lady protest too much.
You protest much about doping... hence you're a doper?

He's definitely not BPC. I don't know who BPC is and CGAF, but Elephant man had an earlier ID here from 2009/10 maybe and he deleted it. And he's no Armstrong supporter either.
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