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Old 02-04-13, 16:36
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It's a valid question. While VDV, Zab etc. I was well aware of their histories, Allen portrayed himself as "just the coach" to Floyd and not more. He always told me he knew something was going on, but he wasn't a part of it. He said Floyd "shielded" him from it all.

I Have no idea if this is just complete crap or true. I still get conflicting stories. Whatever. Allen was straight with us. He was the biggest proponent of the no needles policy when we indexed that in 2008. He never had access to medical files and certainly not blood test records. He coached our guys. Period. He is not an MD. But I haven't spoken to him since 2009 when he left for Radio Shack. That move gave me the impression that he was a little bit "whichever way the wind blows..."

BTW - Allen was hardly central. Our best years have been since he left. As i later found, there are better sports scientists. He was just a very good promotor.

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This drives me nuts...you and I know full well what the truth is here on Lim.
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Old 02-04-13, 16:50
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This drives me nuts...you and I know full well what the truth is here on Lim.

Digger, all I'm saying is that different people tell me different stuff on this. I don't know. I don't care! Perhaps you underestimate how much Allen ****ed me off leaving for RS in 2009. The guy who extolled clean racing to me and told me all the horrible stories about Discovery, which made it to IM via Frankie...that guy went and worked for the person he claimed to hate. It's all I can do to be objective here. believe me, it'd be much easier to just call the guy names, etc.

However, that just ain't cool.
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Old 02-04-13, 16:50
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how do you guys know this is really jonathan vaughters?
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Old 02-04-13, 16:53
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Maybe the 8% increase on your part wasn't as much as other riders who would get a 20 extra % in red blood cells, or even more. That must be the difference I guess....

Do you not feel focked because of that disadvantage? Maybe you could have been a good stage racer for all we know.
Yeah, who knows. Ive been blessed in this life, I'm not going to ***** about how I only cheated some, but other guys cheated more because of my natural blood levels. I mean, if I was born at 41%, do you think I would have said "No, Dr. DelMoral, only pop me up to 45%, thanks." Doubtful.

I'll just be happy and leave it at that.
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Old 02-04-13, 16:55
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how do you guys know this is really jonathan vaughters?
I'd say by the overly glib and arrogant sense of humor. It's like a fingerprint.

But it'd be funny as hell if I weren't.
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Old 02-04-13, 17:02
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Digger, all I'm saying is that different people tell me different stuff on this. I don't know. I don't care! Perhaps you underestimate how much Allen ****ed me off leaving for RS in 2009. The guy who extolled clean racing to me and told me all the horrible stories about Discovery, which made it to IM via Frankie...that guy went and worked for the person he claimed to hate. It's all I can do to be objective here. believe me, it'd be much easier to just call the guy names, etc.

However, that just ain't cool.
Hey JV, you should have had a guest role on Portlandia like Johnny Maher..."eh, it's just a normal red bike." You could have been some sort of spiritual, long-lost brother for Fred Armison.
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This drives me nuts...you and I know full well what the truth is here on Lim.
That's as honest an answer I've seen from JV and I'm a JV1973 sceptic. It's the best that can be said until there's more direct statements from former athletes. Which, probably won't happen until athletes are covered by SOL.
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Yeah, who knows. Ive been blessed in this life, I'm not going to ***** about how I only cheated some, but other guys cheated more because of my natural blood levels. I mean, if I was born at 41%, do you think I would have said "No, Dr. DelMoral, only pop me up to 45%, thanks." Doubtful.

I'll just be happy and leave it at that.
Fair enough, just wanted to point out some cheating is less cheating than other.

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So, without knowing, I'd guess Koechli ran a clean team and won some races in the 80's. But it didn't last into the mid 90's. And he was gone. Sad
Legeay is gone, Guimard is gone, Boyer is gone. On the other hand there a numerous doping DS's like Ferretti also gone.

The most problematic is the doping docs that are still around, in the background. How can this sport survive while those mtf'ers will go of the hook time after time? Just look in Spain now.
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I'd say by the overly glib and arrogant sense of humor. It's like a fingerprint.

But it'd be funny as hell if I weren't.
how would I know what your fingerprint is. I've never met you.

still my question stands to others. how do we know? I hope it's a troll account that hilarious and typical marks as the clinic people are they all fall for it
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how would I know what your fingerprint is. I've never met you.
You fingerprint everyone you meet? Man, you'd freak out Chuck Norris. Actually, that's kinda cool.
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